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[QUOTE="DS3, post: 6208774, member: 407846"]
Yeah, I believe for some there is no other framework which works in the same way as a 12 step program to help them reorder their lives.

However, I think there are many shall we say borderline people who use 12 step programs as a needless crutch. I personally do not subscribe to the idea that you are an alcoholic or drug addict for life - therefore you inevitably need the support system and the meetings or you relapse. I believe that you can put such issues behind you and live a relaxed life where you are not in fear of another drink, fix or gamble.

As I have said, I am certainly not writing off such programs but I do not think they are a fit for everyone. To wit, I have argued in the past that if people has easier access to mental health professionals many issues which bedevil contemporary society could be dealt with in  a less dramatic manner. We're humans, we over indulge, we mess up, sometimes catastrophically but none of it means we can't amend our behavior or need to live under a shadow of imminent relapse.
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