My revalation: WoW, what was I thinking.

I would also like to add something here.
Do you think we are making this bankroll management thing up?
Do you think the Chris Ferguson Challenge was only a FTP publicity stunt?
Why do you think we are warning you about this?

OP you are dumb.

4aces07 said:

OP you are dumb.

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TRUTH.

If you want to go busto, keep it up.

xCashin_inx said:

Maybe your right but I just dont see it happening, ive learned that about 85% of the time your hole cards really dont matter, what you represent and how you bet is everything. Besides huge pots and all-in's how you bet your cards is alot more important than your actual cards.

Catching cards and getting hot are myths, 72 can be just as good as AK if you play it right.

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That's irrelevant. What happens when your top set gets called by a gut shot all-in and they hit? What are you going to do, start folding top set? What happens when you have a set and run into a bigger set? Two-pair vs. higher 2-pair or set. KK vs. AA preflop. AA vs. KK preflop and the KK sucks out on you. What do you do then? You may not go busto, and of course if you did you'd never post it here after all the talk before, but you are capable of going on a downswing even if you are an extremely good poker player.

This guy is playing at 50NL. So am I.

Please let him carry on.

Moved from $70 on 4/9 to $500 on 4/12 and now $800 on 4/14.

When will I have enough to legitamently play 50NL in your guys opinions?

I used to have this same mindset until I discovered this website. For example I had a huge run in January. Sent about 350 to my friends in exchange for cash and then lost my bankroll playing 100NL buying in short. Played my fpps and actually got lucky again and brought my bankroll back up to ~300 area but I did not learn the first time. Broke again. Since the beginning of April I have been using BRM. Its the best thing that could of ever happened to me. Now I am consistently building a bankroll and moving up the ladder playing .02/.05. Now I am amble to just say it happens when I get a bad beat instead of just tilting the rest of my BR away.

Haven't chuckled at a thread like this in a while. Cashin, it would be wise to listen to the YEARS of experience of CC members. But I love your bravado man, and there is SOME credence to the theory that if the 1/2 games are weak and easy to win during local poker room trips (like mine!) that you can compete competently at online games of .50/1 or even 1/2.

The problem is bankroll management ... when you go to the casino you'll take 100 or 200 or more with you, right? But you can always get more money from the ATM, or come back when you get paid. So your "actual live poker bankroll" is some unknown number that you can guess.

No matter who you are, or how good you are, you will have downswings. It happens to the top pros, and the online pros, and superplayers here on CC. How do we know? We track all their damn stats and analyze them! It happens, so prepare for it.

Now the question as to "how many buyins?" , you can find MANY threads on that topic. It matters how many tables you play at once too. But if you continue to see your BR go up and up you are definitely playing at the right level.

xCashin_inx said:

When will I have enough to legitamently play 50NL in your guys opinions?

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Beating $25NL for a decent BB/100 after 20k hands or so would be a good place to start.

I hate to brag, maybe someone should move it to another thread but just to show everyone what I have been doing.

50NL - one table, no multitabling


4/9/08 - $70.00 deposit - Total Bankroll = $70.00
4/22/08 - Current Bankroll = $1,035.11

$965.11 in less than 2 weeks, am I really having this big of an upswing and am I just a few hands away from having a huge downswing or can I expect to have profits like this all the time?

I almost made as much as my mom these past two weeks! haha

xCashin_inx said:

Variance is a myth imo.

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xCashin_inx said:

If you play good poker you nullify your bad beats because your free rolling with money you have won.

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xCashin_inx said:

Catching cards and getting hot are myths, 72 can be just as good as AK if you play it right.

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wow, i can't wait for your downswing. these are some of the dumbest statements i've ever read or heard

everyone goes on heaters and this could be one

with that being said you could be playing great poker but eventually a downswing will hit

it happens to every player

so with that being said congrats on the success and i hope it continues

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I hate to brag

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I doubt that.

xCashin_inx said:

50NL - one table, no multitabling


4/9/08 - $70.00 deposit - Total Bankroll = $70.00
4/22/08 - Current Bankroll = $1,035.11

$965.11 in less than 2 weeks, am I really having this big of an upswing and am I just a few hands away from having a huge downswing or can I expect to have profits like this all the time?

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Short answer? Yes. The downswing will come I don't care if you are the best poker player in the world. That is an awesome upswing, but it's only lasted two weeks. If you don't plan for it it will eat you alive.

The other problem with the way you are playing is this and it's happened time and time and time and time again is that as soon as it happens..you loose one buy in here, one there,then another... then you get AA cracked by the donkey with 2/6 (after all...th fact that donkeys do win these hands every now and then is the one and only thing keeping them around) and next thing you know you've gone on a massive tilt streak and thrown away another 5 buy ins or so.

Planning for it is a huge part of preventing and/or lessening the impact when it hits. Expecting it never to hit you is incredibly naive and dangerous.

xCashin_inx said:

50NL - one table, no multitabling

4/9/08 - $70.00 deposit - Total Bankroll = $70.00
4/22/08 - Current Bankroll = $1,035.11

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Is this all on Stars? What is your username there? I think some people would be interested in watching you play.

Just lost 2 buy-in's since I wrote this! haha
Down to 935


Yea its on stars - xCashin_inx

xCashin_inx said:

Just lost 2 buy-in's since I wrote this! haha
Down to 935

Yea its on stars - xCashin_inx

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Tygran said:

I doubt that.

Short answer? Yes. The downswing will come I don't care if you are the best poker player in the world. That is an awesome upswing, but it's only lasted two weeks. If you don't plan for it it will eat you alive.

The other problem with the way you are playing is this and it's happened time and time and time and time again is that as soon as it happens..you loose one buy in here, one there,then another... then you get AA cracked by the donkey with 2/6 (after all...th fact that donkeys do win these hands every now and then is the one and only thing keeping them around) and next thing you know you've gone on a massive tilt streak and thrown away another 5 buy ins or so.

Planning for it is a huge part of preventing and/or lessening the impact when it hits. Expecting it never to hit you is incredibly naive and dangerous.

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Thing theas post have anything to do with each other?

Nice job...... guess he couldn't tell you were full of shit huh? How did you represent this hand oh learned one?

PokerStars Game #16926523147: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/22 - 22:04:50 (ET)
Table 'Maria' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: jwikk187 ($58.35 in chips)
Seat 2: xCaShiN_iNx ($36.50 in chips)
Seat 3: racerrob ($52.25 in chips)
Seat 4: JUcantStopme ($45.80 in chips)
Seat 5: intersoler ($50.70 in chips)
Seat 6: spolitor ($49.75 in chips)
intersoler: posts small blind $0.25
spolitor: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
jwikk187: calls $0.50
xCaShiN_iNx: raises $2 to $2.50
racerrob: folds
JUcantStopme: folds
intersoler: calls $2.25
spolitor: folds
jwikk187: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [As Ah 4s]
intersoler: checks
jwikk187: bets $2.50
xCaShiN_iNx: raises $3.50 to $6
intersoler: folds
jwikk187: calls $3.50
*** TURN *** [As Ah 4s] J♦
jwikk187: checks
xCaShiN_iNx: bets $6
jwikk187: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [As Ah 4s Jd] A♣
jwikk187: checks
xCaShiN_iNx: bets $9
jwikk187: raises $34.85 to $43.85 and is all-in
xCaShiN_iNx: folds
jwikk187 collected $47.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50 | Rake $2.40
Board [As Ah 4s Jd Ac]
Seat 1: jwikk187 collected ($47.60)
Seat 2: xCaShiN_iNx folded on the River
Seat 3: racerrob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JUcantStopme (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: intersoler (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: spolitor (big blind) folded before Flop

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PokerStars Game #16926495388: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/22 - 22:03:27 (ET)
Table 'Maria' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: jwikk187 ($58.35 in chips)
Seat 2: xCaShiN_iNx ($54 in chips)
Seat 3: racerrob ($53 in chips)
Seat 4: JUcantStopme ($28.80 in chips)
Seat 5: intersoler ($51.20 in chips)
Seat 6: spolitor ($49.75 in chips)
xCaShiN_iNx: posts small blind $0.25
racerrob: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
JUcantStopme: calls $0.50
intersoler: folds
spolitor: folds
jwikk187: folds
xCaShiN_iNx: raises $1 to $1.50
racerrob: folds
JUcantStopme: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [4d 8c 9d]
xCaShiN_iNx: bets $1.50
JUcantStopme: calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [4d 8c 9d] [2h]
xCaShiN_iNx: bets $2
JUcantStopme: calls $2
*** RIVER *** [4d 8c 9d 2h] [Jd]
xCaShiN_iNx: bets $4
JUcantStopme: raises $8.50 to $12.50
xCaShiN_iNx: calls $8.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
JUcantStopme: shows [7h Ts] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
xCaShiN_iNx: mucks hand
JUcantStopme collected $33.75 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $35.50 | Rake $1.75
Board [4d 8c 9d 2h Jd]
Seat 1: jwikk187 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: xCaShiN_iNx (small blind) mucked
Seat 3: racerrob (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: JUcantStopme showed [7h Ts] and won ($33.75) with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 5: intersoler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: spolitor folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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hand2 said:

PokerStars Game #16926523147: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/22 - 22:04:50 (ET)
Table 'Maria' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: jwikk187 ($58.35 in chips)
Seat 2: xCaShiN_iNx ($36.50 in chips)
Seat 3: racerrob ($52.25 in chips)
Seat 4: JUcantStopme ($45.80 in chips)
Seat 5: intersoler ($50.70 in chips)
Seat 6: spolitor ($49.75 in chips)
intersoler: posts small blind $0.25
spolitor: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
jwikk187: calls $0.50
xCaShiN_iNx: raises $2 to $2.50
racerrob: folds
JUcantStopme: folds
intersoler: calls $2.25
spolitor: folds
jwikk187: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [As Ah 4s]
intersoler: checks
jwikk187: bets $2.50
xCaShiN_iNx: raises $3.50 to $6
intersoler: folds
jwikk187: calls $3.50
*** TURN *** [As Ah 4s] [Jd]
jwikk187: checks
xCaShiN_iNx: bets $6
jwikk187: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [As Ah 4s Jd] [Ac]
jwikk187: checks
xCaShiN_iNx: bets $9
jwikk187: raises $34.85 to $43.85 and is all-in
xCaShiN_iNx: folds
jwikk187 collected $47.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50 | Rake $2.40
Board [As Ah 4s Jd Ac]
Seat 1: jwikk187 collected ($47.60)
Seat 2: xCaShiN_iNx folded on the River
Seat 3: racerrob folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JUcantStopme (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: intersoler (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: spolitor (big blind) folded before Flop

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Just 2 hands I saw watching. These were within 5-10 minutes of each other. What happens when you have a run of these? Obviously now you can probably deal with it, but what if at the start you got a few of these hands? You're not immune to running bad.

Damn it .......What happened? You bust? I was in line waiting to take your money but the seat that opened for me was......... YOURS!




oh this is how it happened........

PokerStars Game #16926665123: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/04/22 - 22:11:49 (ET)
Table 'Maria' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 2: xCaShiN_iNx ($23.60 in chips)
Seat 3: racerrob ($51.50 in chips)
Seat 4: JUcantStopme ($55.65 in chips)
Seat 5: intersoler ($53.10 in chips)
Seat 6: spolitor ($49.25 in chips)
Grease33 will be allowed to play after the button
xCaShiN_iNx: posts small blind $0.25
racerrob: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
JUcantStopme: raises $1 to $1.50
intersoler: folds
spolitor: folds
xCaShiN_iNx: calls $1.25
racerrob: folds
*** FLOP *** [8c 7h 2s]
xCaShiN_iNx: checks
JUcantStopme: bets $3
xCaShiN_iNx: calls $3
*** TURN *** [8c 7h 2s] [6s]
xCaShiN_iNx: checks
JUcantStopme: bets $7.50
xCaShiN_iNx: calls $7.50
*** RIVER *** [8c 7h 2s 6s] [Tc]
xCaShiN_iNx: bets $11.60 and is all-in
JUcantStopme: calls $11.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xCaShiN_iNx: shows [Qs Ks] (high card King)
JUcantStopme: shows [Jh Js] (a pair of Jacks)
JUcantStopme collected $45.70 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $47.70 | Rake $2
Board [8c 7h 2s 6s Tc]
Seat 2: xCaShiN_iNx (small blind) showed [Qs Ks] and lost with high card King
Seat 3: racerrob (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: JUcantStopme showed [Jh Js] and won ($45.70) with a pair of Jacks
Seat 5: intersoler folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: spolitor (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Im totally down 3 buy-ins in less than an hour! Everyone that says im stupid can make fun of me now! I deserve it, im playing way too fast and stupid.

I think ill call it a night! =)
Ill get em tommorow.

xCashin_inx said:

Im totally down 3 buy-ins in less than an hour! Everyone that says im stupid can make fun of me now! I deserve it, im playing way too fast and stupid.

I think ill call it a night! =)
Ill get em tommorow.

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No need for us to make fun of you....... your hands speak for themselves.........

Freakakanus said:

No need for us to make fun of you....... your hands speak for themselves.........

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No decent player would call that last all-in but I have to remember im not playing agaisnt decent players. Im back, I just needed to slow down a little bit =)

xCashin_inx said:

No decent player would call that last all-in but I have to remember im not playing agaisnt decent players.

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apparently neither are they

/me waits eagerly for bankroll-eating downswing for lesson-teaching purposes

ChuckTs said:

/me waits eagerly for bankroll-eating downswing for lesson-teaching purposes

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Im only 18 and the money means way too much to me, if I lose another buy in im gonna cash out for about $600 and move down in limits. Ill still have 300 bucks to work with.

300 bucks, what cash game am I looking at following proper bankroll management? 25NL? Thats probablly too high for you guys huh?