Sept Pokah Chat...(post your LC stuff here)

Chris_TC · Sep 22, 2008

I played the grand total of 0 hands yesterday. Shoot me a pm with your Stars user name Zach. Nice doing business with ya.

WVHillbilly · Sep 22, 2008

Chris_TC said:
I played the grand total of 0 hands yesterday. Shoot me a pm with your Stars user name Zach. Nice doing business with ya.

2 days in and you're already slacking? This challenge could get expensive Chis.

Chris_TC · Sep 22, 2008

I already hate myself for messing the second day up, so I have a good feeling for the days and weeks to come. Won't happen again, I think. Must. Become. Balla. Off to the tables.

Jagsti · Sep 22, 2008

ChuckTs said:
I thought at first that it would be all in EV that you could compare to your actual winnings in all in pots, like in pokerEV, but hem doesn't show any all in winnings, only showdown/nsd/total, none of which we can compare practically at all.

So how the hell can they possibly calculate my overall EV?

I'm pretty sure its all in EV, you luckbox

!

zachvac · Sep 22, 2008

ChuckTs said:
I thought at first that it would be all in EV that you could compare to your actual winnings in all in pots, like in pokerEV, but hem doesn't show any all in winnings, only showdown/nsd/total, none of which we can compare practically at all.

So how the hell can they possibly calculate my overall EV?

Like PokerEV did all-in ev. HEM's ev line is simply:

total winnings + (all-in winnings - all-in ev).

Irexes · Sep 22, 2008

Note: This is in no way indicative of the impending result and for the love of crimminy it's not a rail request but it's a pretty screenshot I may look at to make me happy.

3 way all in with KK overcards on 2nd hand versus two flush draws, followed by flopped two pair v TPTK

I will now commence losing it all but wished to capture the moment.

Monoxide · Sep 22, 2008

Or you could just take it down?

belladonna05 · Sep 22, 2008

Its taken a few days to recoup my losses and I did make silver, not gold as originally stated(I misspoke). If I stick to the plan hopefully gold in the next month or two.

Chris_TC · Sep 22, 2008

No wonder I don't feel like playing, eh?

Jagsti · Sep 22, 2008

belladonna05 said:
Its taken a few days to recoup my losses and I did make silver, not gold as originally stated(I misspoke). If I stick to the plan hopefully gold in the next month or two.
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Bella that is awesome, really awesome. Well Done.

Chris_TC said:
No wonder I don't feel like playing, eh?

Chris I so know how that feels. Today I have had a 10 buy in swong, up 4, down 10, up 4 WTF

.

switch0723 · Sep 22, 2008

This thread pretty much drives me away from ever playing 6max again

ChuckTs · Sep 22, 2008

zachvac said:
Like PokerEV did all-in ev. HEM's ev line is simply:

total winnings + (all-in winnings - all-in ev).

Well then why do we compare that all in EV line to our total winnings? Total winnings factor in much more than our all-in plays.

zachvac · Sep 22, 2008

ChuckTs said:
Well then why do we compare that all in EV line to our total winnings? Total winnings factor in much more than our all-in plays.

umm, the difference between the 2 is how well you run in all-in pots. It's not possible to quantify other luck (ie you get flush over flush, how much should you lose ev-wise?). Sklansky bucks tries but fails due to not having complete information (ie whether the hand is shown down or not has to do with the cards that fall, so using the cards that fall ONLY in showdown pots doesn't work). The all-in ev line is simply how much money you would have won if there were no luck in poker when all the money was in. If whenever you got all-in AA vs. KK you simply took 80% of the chips out and they got 20%, you would have won as much money as the all-in ev line shows.

Of course there's other luck in poker, but until you can come up with a way to quantify it, the only luck we can quantify is all-in luck.

zachvac · Sep 22, 2008

switch0723 said:
This thread pretty much drives me away from ever playing 6max again

Says the HU player???

Of course I guess if your winrate is like 25 BB/100, even if you do have a higher variance, you'll still have less downswings. Well not really, but your downswings are when you simply win less than usual.

ChuckTs · Sep 22, 2008

zachvac said:
umm, the difference between the 2 is how well you run in all-in pots. It's not possible to quantify other luck (ie you get flush over flush, how much should you lose ev-wise?). Sklansky bucks tries but fails due to not having complete information (ie whether the hand is shown down or not has to do with the cards that fall, so using the cards that fall ONLY in showdown pots doesn't work). The all-in ev line is simply how much money you would have won if there were no luck in poker when all the money was in. If whenever you got all-in AA vs. KK you simply took 80% of the chips out and they got 20%, you would have won as much money as the all-in ev line shows.

Of course there's other luck in poker, but until you can come up with a way to quantify it, the only luck we can quantify is all-in luck.

Brain fart, I get it now

I thought the line represented only all in EV, not AIEV + total winnings.

Irexes · Sep 22, 2008

Monoxide said:
Or you could just take it down?

FAIL: 32nd for $301. KK < AA with 50 left crippled me, was looking good til then

belladonna05 · Sep 22, 2008

Thanks Jag, its amazing what happens when I actually start following peoples advice around here.

blankoblanco · Sep 22, 2008

dammit i'm the laziest poker player ever and i've made so much less this month than i should have

belladonna05 · Sep 22, 2008

Irexes said:
FAIL: 32nd for $301. KK < AA with 50 left crippled me, was looking good til then

I watched you for awhile boss...you were doing so great...don't worry smashing me down wednesday will perk you right up.

Jagsti · Sep 22, 2008

<Sigh>

Poker Stars, $7.50 Buy-in (150/300 blinds, 25 ante) NL Hold'em Tourney, 4 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

SB: 4,285 (14.3 bb)
BB: 2,175 (7.3 bb)
CO: 2,545 (8.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): 4,495 (15 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 7

7

CO folds, Hero raises to 900, SB calls 750, BB folds

Flop: (2,200) 6

4

Q

(2 players)
SB bets 300, Hero raises to 3,000, SB raises to 3,360 and is all-in, Hero calls 360

Turn: (8,920) T

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: (8,920) A

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results 8,920 pot
SB showed Js Ks (a flush, Ace high) and won 8,920 (4,635 net)
Hero showed 7s 7h (a pair of Sevens) and lost (-4,285 net)

vanquish · Sep 22, 2008

I need to play 10k hands ASAP!

tenbob · Sep 22, 2008

YSY. And today starts in the same vein...

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG+1: $9.25 (18.5 bb)
MP1: $19.15 (38.3 bb)
MP2: $52.55 (105.1 bb)
Hero (MP3): $55.70 (111.4 bb)
CO: $30.50 (61 bb)
BTN: $82.30 (164.6 bb)
SB: $53.05 (106.1 bb)
BB: $50 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with 4

4

2 folds, MP2 raises to $2, Hero calls $2, 4 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 6

7

4

(2 players)
MP2 bets $3.50, Hero raises to $8.50, MP2 raises to $50.55 and is all-in, Hero calls $42.05

Turn: ($105.85) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($105.85) 9

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $105.85 pot ($3 rake)
MP2 showed A

Q

(a flush, Ace high) and won $102.85 ($50.30 net)
Hero showed 4

4

(three of a kind, Fours) and lost (-$52.55 net)

switch0723 · Sep 22, 2008

zachvac said:
Says the HU player???

Of course I guess if your winrate is like 25 BB/100, even if you do have a higher variance, you'll still have less downswings. Well not really, but your downswings are when you simply win less than usual.

50nl being the lowest possible stakes helps a lot with winrate aswell, since its where new players have to learn

Irexes · Sep 22, 2008

Hell yeah.

Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker
SB: $198 (99 bb)
BB: $237.90 (119 bb)
UTG: $285.55 (142.8 bb)
UTG+1: $197 (98.5 bb)
MP1: $218.65 (109.3 bb)
Hero (MP2): $183.10 (91.6 bb)
MP3: $28.10 (14.1 bb)
CO: $37 (18.5 bb)
BTN: $270.65 (135.3 bb)
Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with A

Q

UTG folds, UTG+1 calls $2, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, BTN calls $10, 3 folds
Flop: ($25) A

5

Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $8, Hero calls $8
Turn: ($41) 2

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $26, Hero calls $26
River: ($93) J

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $220, Hero calls $139.10 and is all-in
Results:[spoil] $371.20 pot ($3 rake)
BTN showed 7

5

(a pair of Fives) and lost (-$183.10 net)
Hero showed A

Q

(two pairs, Aces and Queens) and won $368.20 ($185.10 net)

belladonna05 · Sep 22, 2008

Thats more then you won in that whole damn tourney...way to go.

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