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StuUngarRIP · Sep 16, 2009

Which hand would you say is stronger, pre-flop?

2-2 or 9-8 suited..

Jillychemung · Sep 16, 2009

98s

Pre-flop

Wins Ties equity
45.55% 1.02% 46.57% ( 22 )
52.41% 1.02% 53.43% ( 98s )

StuUngarRIP · Sep 16, 2009

Jillychemung said:
98s

Pre-flop

Wins Ties Equity
45.55% 1.02% 46.57% ( 22 )
52.41% 1.02% 53.43% ( 98s )

Wow, that was fast. Thanks.

Is there a website that you can plunk in two hands like that to show which hand is best?

WVHillbilly · Sep 16, 2009

Download pokerstove (it's free).

http://www.pokerstove.com/

Dorkus Malorkus · Sep 16, 2009

google for 'pokerstove'

e: curse you hillbilly!

StuUngarRIP · Sep 16, 2009

WVHillbilly said:
Download pokerstove (it's free).

http://www.pokerstove.com/

Super! Thanks a lot!

KoRnholio · Sep 16, 2009

A good web based one: www.twodimes.net

Jillychemung · Sep 16, 2009

My reply was for 22 vs 98s. I ran it again and 22 is a better hand against top hand ranges (10% & 5%).

equity win tie
Hand 0: 60.232% 59.87% 00.36% { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 39.768% 39.41% 00.36% { 22 }
Hand 1: 34.058% 33.73% 00.32% { 98s }

equity win tie
Hand 0: 67.992% 67.67% 00.32% { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }
Hand 1: 32.008% 31.69% 00.32% { 22 }
Hand 1: 28.839% 28.54% 00.29% { 98s }

StormRaven · Sep 17, 2009

I personally would PREFER the 89 su. Just my preference, Jilly is right that 22 is technically better pf.

StuUngarRIP · Sep 17, 2009

StormRaven said:
I personally would PREFER the 89 su. Just my preference, Jilly is right that 22 is technically better pf.

I believe 9-8 Suited is Texas Dolly's favorite hand.

ballboy75 · Sep 20, 2009

indeed, a suited connecter will usually beat a low pair.
i think if they are just connected cards, the pair is still ahead.
can someone please back me up on that? im pretty sure just not completly. i wonder it connected cards in a race against a low pair are better than suited cards against a low pair.

PNJs_dad · Sep 20, 2009

Of course 22 is ahead and will win vs. 98 over the long run but I don't know if I really prefer one over the other.

WVHillbilly · Sep 20, 2009

PNJs_dad said:
Of course 22 is ahead and will win vs. 98 over the long run but I don't know if I really prefer one over the other.

VVVV Reading comprehension fail! VVVV

Jillychemung said:
98s

Pre-flop

Wins Ties Equity
45.55% 1.02% 46.57% ( 22 )
52.41% 1.02% 53.43% ( 98s )

Implied Odds3 · Sep 20, 2009

Even without the odds, which clearly say 98s is stronger, I would say 98s because its so much easier to play post-flop.

Egon Towst · Sep 20, 2009

WVHillbilly said:
VVVV Reading comprehension fail! VVVV

You shouldn`t mock the afflicted.

Poof · Sep 20, 2009

Looks like a coin flip to me

SavagePenguin · Sep 20, 2009

StuUngarRIP said:
I believe 9-8 Suited is Texas Dolly's favorite hand.

What? Are you talking just to talk or something?

clubsta · Sep 21, 2009

I like pocket 2's way more than I should. I like pocket anythings way more than I should, really. I hardly ever get anything with 89s, but maybe that's because I rarely even play that hand preflop. Maybe I should . . .

Grossberger · Sep 21, 2009

PooffyFooffy said:
Looks like a coin flip to me

Simplified

StuUngarRIP · Sep 21, 2009

StuUngarRIP said:
I believe 9-8 Suited is Texas Dolly's favorite hand.

Huh? Looks like someone didn't read Super System..:deal:

moeraj · Sep 21, 2009

not sure where you guys are getting your odds but pocket underpair is slight favorite to overcard connecters,suited or not

Egon Towst · Sep 21, 2009

moeraj said:
not sure where you guys are getting your odds but pocket underpair is slight favorite to overcard connecters,suited or not

I don`t know what calculator JC used to get this:

Jillychemung said:
Pre-flop

Wins Ties Equity
45.55% 1.02% 46.57% ( 22 )
52.41% 1.02% 53.43% ( 98s )

But I used PokerOdds 2.51 by Tim Babb, and it confirms JC`s numbers to within a tenth of a percentage point.

So no, pocket underpair is a (slight) dog.

WVHillbilly · Sep 21, 2009

moeraj said:
not sure where you guys are getting your odds but pocket underpair is slight favorite to overcard connecters,suited or not

Wanna bet???

Edit: Specifically 22 v 98s (actually anything less the 66 vs 98s).

JimmyBrizzy · Sep 21, 2009

Jillychemung said:
My reply was for 22 vs 98s. I ran it again and 22 is a better hand against top hand ranges (10% & 5%).

equity win tie
Hand 0: 60.232% 59.87% 00.36% { 77+, A9s+, KTs+, QTs+, AJo+, KQo }
Hand 1: 39.768% 39.41% 00.36% { 22 }
Hand 1: 34.058% 33.73% 00.32% { 98s }

equity win tie
Hand 0: 67.992% 67.67% 00.32% { 88+, AJs+, KQs, AKo }
Hand 1: 32.008% 31.69% 00.32% { 22 }
Hand 1: 28.839% 28.54% 00.29% { 98s }

To purposely hijack this thread; what is going on here exactly? I'm pretty dumb, just wondering why the equity doesn't add up to 100% or what that calculation in pokerstove is doing....

WVHillbilly · Sep 21, 2009

Likminutz said:
To purposely hijack this thread; what is going on here exactly? I'm pretty dumb, just wondering why the equity doesn't add up to 100% or what that calculation in pokerstove is doing....

Pretty sure he's just posting how the range fairs against each specific hand. Not if all 3 are in same hand. Notice it says Hand 0:, Hand 1:, and Hand 1 again.

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