Stop raking split pots

S3mper · Mar 21, 2014

I think that if a outcome of a hand is a split pot the site or casino should not rake the hand and instead let the players split the rake portion of the pot also..

To have AA vs AA and lose money is ridiculous especially in all-in situations as the pot is bigger thus the rake is bigger... Then the situation where the nuts is on the board and a player shoves now I'm faced with a situation where if I call I may actually be losing more then if I would if I folded as the rake in some situations would turn out to be more then I have already involved in the pot.

vic75 · Mar 23, 2014

You cant get rid of rake these are the rules of a poker site or casino

bezobrazny · Mar 23, 2014

Can't agree with you more, raking splits is the same as stealing the money.

stlbluesfan · Mar 23, 2014

Couldn't agree more but its never going to happen. Sometimes the house wins and they aren't going to give those times up.

Ronoh · Mar 23, 2014

So what happens when you're playing, say Omaha h/l when the majority of the pots are split? Oh you didn't mean that... okay, how about the same game where the board runs out 98765 where low has a clear winner but two people hold JT? Or the same game with the same board where two players have JT and two players have A2?

Ahhh okay, you only meant hold'em..... but... huh?

Regardless of your views this will obviously never happen.

Arjonius · Mar 24, 2014

bezobrazny said:
Can't agree with you more, raking splits is the same as stealing the money.

Unless they take more than the proper amount, it's not theft. You play poker voluntarily with the knowledge that split pots will be raked. You agree to this plus tons of other things when you sit down.

torosanti012 · Mar 24, 2014

It's just part of the business I guess, It's annoying but we can't do much about it!

dasher · Mar 28, 2014

It's more frustrating when a low only hand bets out in a high/lo game.... he should know he is only playing for half the pot, so why drive up the rake? They need to get quartered a few times to teach them to check it down.

topper39 · Mar 28, 2014

I agree with that. It's quite immoral to rake split pots in my view but it's certainly not going to change anyhow. Split pots are the only situation in the game where there's no winner (only a house), so they're always -eV, which is frustrating.

left52side · Mar 29, 2014

We all know this is how the poker rooms make there money in poker rooms.
They will never quit the rake,weather split pots or not they are still gonna take there rakes.
What I think stinks is when you are playing lo limit 2/4 3/6 4/8 etc etc and they ull the rake off of a 20.00 pot.
That is why I tend to stick to the 6/12 games or better because you can almost beat the rake on them.

dj11 · Mar 29, 2014

You would be better served by spreading the word amongst the players of how stupid a bet is under those circumstances.

Take notes about rake ignorant players. One of the very first things a player should be learning is how rake effects things. If he has not shown the he knows, that too should be in your notes.

And incidentally, there are many here who chastised me for ever even considering rake.

But the rooms need to make money, and rake will seldom change.

S3mper · Mar 29, 2014

Would it be +EV to shove into a split pot out of position knowing that the other player knows it is -EV to call to split this pot due to rake?

SwiftHax · Mar 29, 2014

I'm with you a 100% here. Nothing worse than going all in pre with AK, get called by a weaker Ace and having to split and lose money because of the 2 pair on the board.

mapt02h · Mar 30, 2014

S3mper said:
Would it be +EV to shove into a split pot out of position knowing that the other player knows it is -EV to call to split this pot due to rake?

I had a guy fold a straight to me, we both had it, and he started to lecture me how it's stupid to do so. I went all in fwiw

dasher · Mar 31, 2014

S3mper said:
Would it be +EV to shove into a split pot out of position knowing that the other player knows it is -EV to call to split this pot due to rake?

But most of the time it isn't -EV to make the call because of the money already in the pot. You'll both lose money on the hand to the rake, but you'll lose half the money already in the pot if you fold. AND there is the small chance that he is completely bluffing. I would prefer to make him share the pain... if he profits by it he'll do it every time.

S3mper · Apr 4, 2014

I was thinking about it and some pros get 100% Rake back so if they are ever in a split pot situation where the nuts is on the board they can shove in these spots... seems unfairrrr....

PlayedYou73 · Apr 5, 2014

The phrase "the house always wins" was probably created from split pots

Thinker_145 · Apr 6, 2014

I agree with this completely, only the winning portion of a split pot should be raked. I would say this especially for online poker as the material cost of running one hand is not significant.

From my experience in micro SNGs when the board makes the nuts you should shove because some players are completely clueless and actually fold. I obviously don't do that in cash games but I still do make some sort of a bet.

Staneff · Apr 6, 2014

every pot must be raked. if split pots are not raked then why should 1 winner pot be raked. it would not be fair to rake pot only when there is only 1 winner, isnt it?

as u know the rake is for the poker site/ casino as a fee cuz in poker the winner is one of the players not the site or casino.

WEC · Apr 6, 2014

dj11 said:
You would be better served by spreading the word amongst the players of how stupid a bet is under those circumstances.

Take notes about rake ignorant players. One of the very first things a player should be learning is how rake effects things. If he has not shown the he knows, that too should be in your notes.

And incidentally, there are many here who chastised me for ever even considering rake.

But the rooms need to make money, and rake will seldom change.

I always laugh when I see a guy cost himself money by pushing all his chips with a one card straight, and the other guy calls, and the only one who wins in that case is the casino. Should be one of the first things a poker player should be taught. Don't needlessly give money away to the house.

S3mper · Apr 6, 2014

Staneff said:
every pot must be raked. if split pots are not raked then why should 1 winner pot be raked. it would not be fair to rake pot only when there is only 1 winner, isnt it?

as u know the rake is for the poker site/ casino as a fee cuz in poker the winner is one of the players not the site or casino.

Split pots shouldn't be raked because players should not lose money for winning a hand, when a player wins a hand its fine to rake it because the winner of the hand is gaining money.

If I'm playing black Jack and it's a push I shouldn't lose a % cause its a tie I should get my money back..

Or if they are going to rake pslit pots then the players who are currently in the hand should get back everything they invested in the pot and rake money contributed by a player who is not currently still in the hand.

PrayForSpades · Apr 7, 2014

I recently noticed how bad rake was when I was at 100 NL, I picked up 55 on the button, it was folded around to me I put in a min raise sb calls and bb does a healthy 3bet, I call sb folds. Flop comes 567, he bets the pot, around a third of his stack, I know he's got AA or KK so I ship it on him, he calls. Sure enough he flips over AA and it comes 9 8. I lost money even with the sbs dead money in the pot.

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