Technology used to cheat in casinos

this thread is so tilting

Hey Stu, What's your problem? I'm used to posters making the occasional comment & normally go to another thread or something, but look man, You've continued to try & discredit my character this whole thread. Why don't you ease up, or at least tell me to my face if you ever see me out. You have the benefit of knowing who I am & the people that read this thread, I don't know you keep your comments to yourself if they are not constructive to the thread.

Stu's just having fun with you. He isn't discrediting you because you don't have any credit to take away.

When you have claims to make, you would do well to add some real facts or evidence or something for people to latch on to in order to give the claims some substance, however thin that may be.

There is absolutely nothing in this entire thread to suggest that this whole thing (about casionos cheating using technology) is not some wild fantasy dreamt up to get some attention. People here are asking for some slight sliver of proof to back it up.

As for your credentials as a great poker player, try googling Stu. He's the greatest poker player of all time! Using your type of evidence - people have made films about him so he must be great; I can prove the films have been made.

AND he's an alien.

Steve

If I see someone by the name of "Gabe C." in an obituary somewhere soon and our guest ceases to post, then I think we will have reason to believe he was on to something.

Like I said before, if this truly is as involved as you claim (gaming control, casino execs, mobsters and organized crime), you would have been eliminated long ago. End of story.

The fact that you're still breathing proves you're full of bullshit.

You guys are a real piece of work Steve, POS

NFS , The only difference between me & You in this matter is I know something you don't. Do yourself a favor, Read the patents & other info listed with Gentex Etc. If you can find proof ARL isn't Army Research Lab , Then please enlighten us.

It seems to me at this point the burden of proof is on you guys to proof something isn't going on, other than your own naive belief system about how you think things should be rather than reality.

It's the other way around. No one here has to prove anything, but you.

Yes, the patents exist, and the technology is theoretically possible. You're also full of bullshit. You know it, we know it.

GabeC said:

It seems to me at this point the burden of proof is on you guys to proof something isn't going on, other than your own naive belief system about how you think things should be rather than reality.

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This is backwards Gabe. As I'm sure you know, it is impossible to logically prove a negative. No one can prove that "something isn't going on" although a lot of doubt can and has been cast upon the idea. You have made allegations. Its up to you to prove them.

Two simple things, I think everyone would like to see. Prove to us that you are who you say you are. A picture with you flipping of WVHillbilly or posing for Poofy or whatever is easy. Next, I would like to see the proof that you were being cheated. Statistical deviations over a large sample size, credible witnesses, something like that.

If you can do these two things, than we could begin to address your magic paper card ideas. Honestly sir, you are being given more of a hearing here than anywhere else, as far as I can tell. Use this to your advantage and prove your claims, if you can.

Right now, at best you sound like a MTT specialist running bad at high stakes cash games and blaming cheating when it is a combination of variance and perhaps not having an edge in the game. At worst, you sound (and I'm not trying to be funny or cruel) mentally ill.

Simply give us the information that has been asked for.

Thank you.

GabeC said:

NFS , The only difference between me & You in this matter is I know something you don't. Do yourself a favor, Read the patents & other info listed with Gentex Etc. If you can find proof ARL isn't Army Research Lab , Then please enlighten us.

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GabeC said:

You guys are a real piece of work Steve, POS

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GabeC said:

It seems to me at this point the burden of proof is on you guys to proof something isn't going on, other than your own naive belief system about how you think things should be rather than reality.

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workin on that post count,.... you will get there......................

Gabe (or who ever you really are) read this thread in its entirety again, paying close attention to what has really been said. You claim to be this great poker player who we can look up and find that - hey - this guy really seems to be a great player. But your posts reek of paranoia and conspiracy theorist, among other things. SO.............. We cast doubt (hate to break it to ya, but very understandably so) on you being who you say you are, so we ask for a picture. And here lies the big problem (one of em anyway). Pictures of the player you claim to be are available on the internet, so you cant be afraid of posting one here, yet you dont even address this question.

Simple, really. Many here think you are posing as Gabe Costner, and think in reality you are an idiot who should be tarred and feathered for identity theft (among other things). So prove it, a pic with you next to a computer screen with this thread open that is irrefutably not a photo shop retouch.

And if you really are Gabe C, then give that pooffy guy a thrill and do it shirtless.......... (I wont reveal your secret Pooffy.......)



If you can do that, we can maybe start discussion on your other claims............. uuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....................................

Your move..........

Fletchdad, I was hoping to have a discussion here with some players that actually were open to the idea that something could be going on, obviously those people are afraid to post for fear of being ridiculed.

It's hard for me to believe that people would actually think I was posing to be someone I'm not. I would have probably chosen Ivey If I was going to do that. Anyway if theres anyone here that is really concerned about who I am you can send me a message on facebook. I'll be glad to respond.

I want to prove a prime example as to why things are the way they are in this society, I've spent a lot of time on this board trying to explain in the best manner that I know how what I've discovered. I've answered questions & addressed posters that didn't deserve answers based on their character. I've been extremely patient in trying to answe the few here that had legitimate questions. I've posted proof I have a casino made kem card which you cannot find outside of a casino, I've shown pictures through a microscope of non-typical dye , ive offered to respond to posters that want me to prove who I am & on top of it all your cardschat moderator is insulting me as much as anyone & sending me private messages calling me FOS & threatening to ban me.

The very fact that someone as this is allowed to moderate a forum proves my point that a human element in this society allows for error in judgement, thus why something such as card cheating on a mass scale could exist, as my post can be moderated & I'm told to respond in certain ways. I would hate to be a normal break even or losing player that no one knows & found out they were being cheated, they have no shot of proving it.


Here is my private message from WVhillbilly

"Gabe", your time here is nearly at an end. So either answer the questions asked, admit you're FoS, or go away.

I merged a few of your posts from today so you have 3 or 4 posts remaining on your daily limit. I expect wonderful responses with all of them and anything less will result in you being banned for trolling.

You can start with the picture requested.

GabeC said:

Here is my private message from WVhillybilly

"Gabe", your time here is nearly at an end. So either answer the questions asked, admit you're FoS, or go away.

I merged a few of your posts from today so you have 3 or 4 posts remaining on your daily limit. I expect wonderful responses with all of them and anything less will result in you being banned for trolling.

You can start with the picture requested.

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And you post a private message here to achieve what?

There's not post of yours that proves that:
1. You were cheated
2. You were cheated using that tech

I'm not going throught the id thing. It does not concern me, nor do I care. The only thing you did was to show evidence that relate to your theory or cause. You have not yet established a link between the cheat and the tech.

Here's a thought: if that's true, why not get a lawyer or contact 60 Minutes? Why trolling forums if the evidence is so overwhelming (as per your own view) that you can make much more than that? It doesn't make sense. It's -EV for sure...

Flattery will get you nowhere "Gabe". I sent that to you as a PM as a courtesy instead of posting it ITT. It doesn't bother me that you have decided to post it here but posting PMs in general is a shitty thing to do (so you'll know at the next forum you decide to troll). The thing that upsets me is that you've gone and wasted one of your final posts in doing so though. Only a couple shots left to prove you're worth keeping.

Gabe, as we here have had many pros come visit the forum, and you would be the first to have this paranoia. You claim to have been cheated. Many claim that poker rooms (in your case, casinos) are rigged in some way, and most of us here are of the opinion that these players simply play bad and blame it on riggedness. SO when a new forum member makes any claims of cheating, we want to know how, when, how much, and we want to see some kind of proof other than "Hey, I told ya, didnt I?"

Here lies one of my problems with this thread. You posted some pics which I cant really see any proof of you being cheated with. You keep offering proof that aint proof....

We also said to post a pic of yourself, pretty easy, forget FB, just post one, I mean it tales less than 5 minutes, and the fact that you dont is simply like "WTF??" Maybe you are GC, but we just havent met too many pros that are conspiracy theorists, so it dont fit so well..... Its not all that important, as it is your claim of being cheated that is the main point, but its just kinda head scratchin funny that you wont post it, it makes ppl say "is he havin us on"...

And you were pretty rude and insulting yourself. OK, you took some hits as well, but lets call it like it is.

Proof of your claims, thats all we want, and cmon, those pics prove.. what exactly?

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Hey Stu, What's your problem?

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I think you are FoS

I dont think you are who you claim to be as you have still not posted a photo with CC in view.

I am still waiting for you evidence proving that FT is rigged.

I am still waiting for your evidence that casino dealings were rigged. If you can come up with a figure of 99.99% certainty then there should be extensive statistical evidence.. you claim to have it but have not shown it.

Im surprised that so many of your "friends" have accidentally stumbled across this thread, I think they are just other accounts you have made.

I think you are delusional.

I think you are a liar.

I think you are a conspiracy nut, you even brought the army into the discussion.

I don't understand how a picture of a card with the corner cut out (a card you say has never transformed in your presence) constitutes as anything more than a picture of a card with the corner cut out.

Is this clear enough or do I need to explain my problem with you in more detail?

So all of this was bullshit?
Bah...


Good point Stu.

a joint-venture company formed by Kem Plastic and Gentex Corp., of Carbondale, Pa. To make casino-grade

http://www.filtron.gentexcorp.com/(X(1)S(smkejfjoil0aez55su331zij))/assets/gentex/Filtron/E400.pdf


http://www.filtron.gentexcorp.com/(X(1)S(smkejfjoil0aez55su331zij))/assets/gentex/Filtron/E800.pdf


http://www.filtron.gentexcorp.com/(X(1)S(smkejfjoil0aez55su331zij))/assets/gentex/Filtron/E600.pdf


http://www.filtron.gentexcorp.com/(X(1)S(smkejfjoil0aez55su331zij))/assets/gentex/Filtron/E640.pdf


http://www.filtron.gentexcorp.com/(X(1)S(smkejfjoil0aez55su331zij))/assets/gentex/Filtron/E520.pdf

GabeC said:

a joint-venture company formed by Kem Plastic and Gentex Corp., of Carbondale, Pa. To make casino-grade

http://www.filtron.gentexcorp.com/(X(1)S(smkejfjoil0aez55su331zij))/assets/gentex/Filtron/E400.pdf


http://www.filtron.gentexcorp.com/(X(1)S(smkejfjoil0aez55su331zij))/assets/gentex/Filtron/E800.pdf


http://www.filtron.gentexcorp.com/(X(1)S(smkejfjoil0aez55su331zij))/assets/gentex/Filtron/E600.pdf


http://www.filtron.gentexcorp.com/(X(1)S(smkejfjoil0aez55su331zij))/assets/gentex/Filtron/E640.pdf


http://www.filtron.gentexcorp.com/(X(1)S(smkejfjoil0aez55su331zij))/assets/gentex/Filtron/E520.pdf

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Something is wrong with the links, or it could be my stupid work computer.
You can edit your post so you don't have to waste another one.

Just realized the links above no longer work, you can see the from this link

http://www.gentexcorp.com/default.aspx?pageid=491

If you'll look at the above filters from Gentex & notice in the link above that Gentex does make these poker cards for KEM company & then check out this you tube link about light polarization you can start to understand how it can be done.

^^^^

This is how you choose to use your last few posts at CC?

This is going nowhere. GabeC continues to post loads of stuff which has no bearing on his claims, which are:-

1. Casinos are using card-changing technology to cheat customers.
2. A mystery person has taken and analysed one of these cards from an undisclosed casino.
3. Card shuffling in an unnamed casino was analysed and declared crooked.

Gabe, please use your last post or two to either post soemthing relevant to this or 'fess up on the joke.

Steve

Polarized films would not do what you claim. You're honestly insane. You should seek help. Just not here.

Steve922 said:

This is going nowhere. GabeC continues to post loads of stuff which has no bearing on his claims, which are:-

1. Casinos are using card-changing technology to cheat customers.
2. A mystery person has taken and analysed one of these cards from an undisclosed casino.
3. Card shuffling in an unnamed casino was analysed and declared crooked.
4. The army is involved.

Gabe, please use your last post or two to either post soemthing relevant to this or 'fess up on the joke.

Steve

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If you guys go to a casino that forces you to use contact lenses at the poker table... you know what's going on...