Totally CHEATING!

DEVILRAISE · Jul 15, 2008

im sick of getting bombed because my stats are minus R.O.I...its not fair at all to have edge and scope etc...at a table and I dont even think its legal to use it. imagine going into a casino and everyone has a sign stuck over thier heads with R.O.I ITM'S etc... its horse chit and im mucking pissed about it

. does anyone else think this is fair? or am I being stupid?. let me know

SankTheTank · Jul 15, 2008

idk what you just said but im gonna guess you're mad that people are scouting you... which is dumb... so yea you are being stupid...

Steveg1976 · Jul 15, 2008

Who cares what other players see. If you know you are a bad player then learn to not be a bad player. I am curretnly a losing player and if someone finds a site that confirms that so what? I already know it, but they don't know why or how I am losing. Let them think I am donk I don't care and that can be used to your advantage as well.

MrMuckets · Jul 15, 2008

I can't find two sites that have the same ROI or Itm. sharkscope says i have a itm of 25% and online poker rankings puts it at 30%, they have a ways to go before they are giving reliable information in my opinion.

Irexes · Jul 15, 2008

MrMuckets said:
I can't find two sites that have the same ROI or Itm. Sharkscope says i have a itm of 25% and online poker rankings puts it at 30%, they have a ways to go before they are giving reliable information in my opinion.

One is MTTs and the other is SnGs.

I've been using OPR for years and it's always been 100% accurate for MTTs.

If you are a good player and people think you are a bad one then it is surely to your advantage. If you are a bad player, then read more and learn stuff to become a good one

Dorkus Malorkus · Jul 15, 2008

umm SS tracks sit n gos and opr tracks mtts so the stats will obviously differ.

edit: i b slow

DEVILRAISE · Jul 15, 2008

your right steve I will use that to my advantage. Im a damn good player and muckets your right too! every day my R.O.I. changes on O.P.R. its not accurate at all. still dont like the constant attacks though haha! want them to run not chase ya know?

Inscore77 · Jul 15, 2008

OPR stats are 100% accurate, but by no means tell you if you're a good player or bad. I'm still in negative ROI I believe. It can take a very very long time before a player starts showing profit. I know I'm good, I've won 3 mtt's, but it's all the other shit I did before I got good at poker that makes my stats as ugly as they are

S93 · Jul 15, 2008

Inscore77 said:
OPR stats are 100% accurate, but by no means tell you if you're a good player or bad. I'm still in negative ROI I believe. It can take a very very long time before a player starts showing profit. I know I'm good, I've won 3 mtt's, but it's all the other shit I did before I got good at poker that makes my stats as ugly as they are

OPR doesnt track private tournements

Inscore77 · Jul 15, 2008

sindri_93 said:
OPR doesnt track private tournements

Um, so?

S93 · Jul 15, 2008

Inscore77 said:
Um, so?

You said there stats where 100% acurate and obvs. there not if the dont track private games

Inscore77 · Jul 15, 2008

sindri_93 said:
You said there stats where 100% acurate and obvs. there not if the dont track private games

Ah ok lol, well 100% accurate for scheduled mtt's then

S93 · Jul 15, 2008

Inscore77 said:
Ah ok lol, well 100% accurate for scheduled mtt's then

lol no problem,sorry about beeing a nit

MrMuckets · Jul 15, 2008

Besides you need to remember that all the stats are history. Everyone is improving or at least i like to think so.

MDTed · Jul 15, 2008

I think it would be amusing to be a good player, a very good player, who would start out at the lower levels, let's say $25NL playing like a total fish. Then move up to the correct levels, whatever they are, $100NL or more and play normally hoping that people do use the online tools.

Personally I think all the online tools are effectively cheating. So I never look at my opponents. Or myself for that matter. I'm sure I'm pretty awful in any event.

shinedown.45 · Jul 15, 2008

OPR now tracks STT's/MTT's/HU stats, for Full tilt only ATM

Stick66 · Jul 15, 2008

I love when people think I suck for some reason. From a stats site or past play or whatever. I think that sets them up to underestimate me.

naruto_miu · Jul 15, 2008

I don't really see why your getting upset, is it because ppl make fun of you at the tables? Lets look at the situation differently ok, bare with me plz, lets say your a losing player, and you've lost about 1k, and then u really started taking poker seriously, and reading up on it, and playing a totally different game, now even though your stats might have u as a losing player, your actually quite the opposite, Now your oppents at the tables, think your this big "FISH", and they've landed the monster catch of all times, but really you've caught them because we know your not a losing player anymore, don't be upset, it's only words, well actually, letters printed on a screen to make u feel bad

Tammy · Jul 15, 2008

I used to let my husband play on my accounts. He's a great live player, but let's face it, really sucks online (don't tell him I said that

). So that helped to jack up my stats. Plus, I feel I'm a "good" player, but definitely not the best I can be. I'm improving everyday. Or sometimes I just go through huge downswings.

So yeah, I get the occassional, "juiceeQ really sucks. ROI is-5672%". I just laugh. The few times that has happened to me, I've ended up knocking them out and winning the tournament...usually a SNG.

Which brings up another point. I play mainly SNG's. Few MTT's. I can run fairly good in the SNG's and barely ever cash in the MTT's. Thus the bad OPR. But whatev. Let them think what they want, imo.

tpb221 · Jul 15, 2008

Some thoughts:

1. Some sites the use of these tools are legal and others there not.

2. On being fair-when you are playing sports(ie:football,soccer,baseball,etc...) no matter what level you play there are mounds of stats on all players. From high school to pros you have access to these stats, why should poker be any different.

3. People do not always know how to read stat or how to apply them. My stats on Shark Scope has me at -14% ROI. Which more or less in the sngs they cover is right. One problem is the sng they cover do not include everything i play. Second, i just started to play online and made my first deposit in the spring. I played all kinds of SnG to test the waters so to speak. I believe they even tell you on SS that for data of less then 100 games at a level is not a good picture of the player. I have played just over 150 SnG so far at all levels. If you just look at the -14% ROI you are missing the whole picture. The games I settled on playing, $3&$5 SNG I have +ROI. As of today for all SnG and MTT I have bought in to 215 tourneys for $755.04 with winnings of $751.24. Negitive but on the upswing. Just a beginner, but if someone wants to look just at the -14% ROI be my guest, it will be to your disadvantage.

4. I keep very accurate stats on Poker Tracker and find the stat site close but they are never 100%.

shinedown.45 · Jul 15, 2008

naruto_miu said:
I don't really see why your getting upset, is it because ppl make fun of you at the tables? Lets look at the situation differently ok, bare with me plz, lets say your a losing player, and you've lost about 1k, and then u really started taking poker seriously, and reading up on it, and playing a totally different game, now even though your stats might have u as a losing player, your actually quite the opposite, Now your oppents at the tables, think your this big "FISH", and they've landed the monster catch of all times, but really you've caught them because we know your not a losing player anymore, don't be upset, it's only words, well actually, letters printed on a screen to make u feel bad

I get this alot, players see me playing loose at times and winning with garbage, they look me up on sharkscope and see my stats and think I am a big fish.
Little do they know that I have improved my game over the past couple months and the stats they see are averaged more over a timeframe when I did generally suck.
So I say, "Go search me buddy, I don't care"

fin2head · Jul 15, 2008

tracking is not cheating

Tracking statistics is not cheating, they are tools for anybody's use. Dont like the numbers change them by winning.

Pothole · Jul 15, 2008

sindri_93 said:
You said there stats where 100% acurate and obvs. there not if the dont track private games

They certainly do rank private mtt's.

DEVILRAISE · Jul 16, 2008

true I am improving. my july stats are 0% R.O.I. so thats better than minus I guess and true it gives me an advantage if people think I stink. but lets remember one thing, this is a money game, my money game, no a contract player or any thing else. tell me one sport where players put up their own money fin. no its not fair to bring that to the table and have little phones and chit over my head telling a player to call me. might as well be a bot playing for them. ITS CHEATING! plain and simple. but thats ok cause im dropping a email on scope and edge and telling them to hide them for now.

Pokertron3000 · Jul 16, 2008

DEVILRAISE said:
true I am improving. my july stats are 0% R.O.I. so thats better than minus I guess and true it gives me an advantage if people think I stink. but lets remember one thing, this is a money game, my money game, no a contract player or any thing else. tell me one sport where players put up their own money fin. no its not fair to bring that to the table and have little phones and chit over my head telling a player to call me. might as well be a bot playing for them. ITS CHEATING! plain and simple. but thats ok cause im dropping a email on scope and edge and telling them to hide them for now.

What everyone else said.

The easiest solution would be to play with chat off, dont matter whats being said then.

The best solution is to let them call you names, play tight and smart wait for a big hand and knock them out/take there money. Its so nice doing this and when I do this I usally say gg to them, some it drives crazy but others think twice bout calling you due to your stats again.

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