Under calling a bet in Holdem

Was recently playing in a private game (tournament). The blinds had just gone up to 2000-4000 from 1000-2000. I was second to act and called 2000 not aware of the change in the blinds. I was informed by the other players that the blinds were now 2000-4000. Learning this, I decided not to call and mucked my hand. When I went to retrieve my call, I was told it had to remain in the pot. I don't recall that being the case in casino play. Any card room managers or dealers out there who can set me straight on what the customary cardroom practice is?

I'm not a dealer or manager but have played in dozens of casinos. You should have been immediately informed that your motion would count as a call and would need to make the call whole. It's unfortunate that you mucked your hand for sure though. Sorry to hear that.

Usually, once across the line the money is in the pot, period.

Yeah, that's definitely a call at an actual casino. You would have action if somebody raised behind you to either fold/reraise

As above, it's ruled a call and you should have to make up the difference between your under-call and the actual amount.

There are rules that protect you if you act based on misleading information - say the player in front of you says "all in" very quietly and starts putting in chips but you didn't hear him and say "call" thinking he's just calling the blind or previous bet. Then you might have recourse to say you didn't realise he was going all in.

But in a situation like this where you're just calling the blind? I'm afraid that's on you.

Wow that is good info to know ty vm

you first need to fully explore the specifics of the game so you do not fall into such a situation

OK, hold the phones all.

Its a mix. Some casinos and card rooms will force you keep the 2k in the pot, some will not. There are different rules for different rooms.

The wsop you lose the money, I've seem some Vegas casinos go both ways in their tourneys. And the rules can be different cash game vs. tourney.

Now Roberts Rules Of Poker - a nationally recognized book of rules, states that you can pull your bet back if you didn't know there was a raise. Robert (Bob) Ciaffone created these rules for poker rooms to adapt to have a kinder/gentler poker game and not so super pro. http://www.pokercoach.us/robspkrrules4.htm if you want to see the complete guide. MANY rooms have adapted these rules, in fact almost all of Michigan poker rooms, and I also believe New Hampshire poker rooms use them.

Since this was a home game, as a room manager, I think its a little strict to go by the super pro rules and would have allowed you to pull your bet back...but house rules are house rules so you hosed yourself by not paying attention.

Also dont feel bad, its VERY RARE that you find players that know all the rules.

Oh and by the way - if you said "call" then you owe the full amount of the call, and if your cards are not retrievable (a whole other list of rules here) then you are out of luck and the 4 k

Thank you for the link to robspkrrules4. I knew there was something like this out there, just didn't know where.

I always thought cards mucked were gone for good? couldn't take them back under any circumstance.Is that not true?

that is why when you make a move it is important to announce it - and if you say call you are committed to the call whatever the amount.

However a home game - come on - flexibility and fun are part of the scenario - if the other players are that serious you just wait your chances, know the rules and apply them seriously - the time will come especially after a few sodas (or something). If they complain then you can quote what happened to you and their insistence the rules be followed.

DEE123 said:

I always thought cards mucked were gone for good? couldn't take them back under any circumstance.Is that not true?

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If the cards can be clearly identified, and it's in the "interests of fairness" then in certain circumstances they can be retrieved.

Yeah I do believe it was a call, but the thing is it was a home game. It could have been looked over maybe a warning for your first time. We have this happen a little at our private game. We usually just let you pull your bet back out.