WSOP ME Final Table to be delayed...

Tammy · May 6, 2008

I don't really care one way or the other (although I do tend to lean toward thinking this is lame). It's obvious they are doing this so that they can make the FT a pay-per-view event. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

aliengenius · May 6, 2008

juiceeQ said:
It's obvious they are doing this so that they can make the FT a pay-per-view event. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Actually, it's the opposite. As the FT will now be broadcast (almost) live on ESPN there will no longer be a ppv event ($20 last year).

beardyian · May 6, 2008

aliengenius said:
Good article here.

It is a good article and with some extra info on what they plan to do, pay-out and interest growth on the remaining monies sounds a good idea, but.....

I still have two qualms with this, firstly the poor way in which it came out just a month or so before the event starts, what was the excuse, they forgot?

And why is the break so long

months?, a month is 4 weeks after but months

*on a side note im a little surprised that someone who covered the ME cannot even name 5 of the FT players less than a year later

Kravchenko, Tuan Lam, Yang, Kalmer, Rahme & Hevad Khan (has he forgotten him?

)

robwhufc · May 6, 2008

aliengenius said:
Good article here.

Better one here Poker Articles - Greed Gone Wild - WSOP Final Table Rescheduled

robwhufc · May 6, 2008

beardyian said:
I still have two qualms with this, firstly the poor way in which it came out just a month or so before the event starts, what was the excuse, they forgot?

Agreed, I didn't realise that they had been accepting prepaid entries for the main event weeks before the change announcement.

We'll see soon how this pans out. I don't think these 9 are going to be household names, Phil Hellmuth and Doyle Brunson aren't household names. Harrahs repeatedly **** the event up (missing chips, cards where 6 and 9 look the same, same coloured chips for different deniminations etc). God knows what mess they'll make with 4 months to **** it up.

smd173 · May 6, 2008

robwhufc said:
Harrahs repeatedly **** the event up (missing chips, cards where 6 and 9 look the same, same coloured chips for different deniminations etc). God knows what mess they'll make with 4 months to **** it up.

^^^^WINNER

Right on Rob. They will screw it up somehow. Let's not forget the poker tent last year which is gone this year.

OzExorcist · May 6, 2008

Another article:

A Comprehensive Look at the WSOP Final Table Delay – Part One | Poker News

I won't go so far as to say it's a good article (it's actually entertainingly biased) but it does explain why it's a four month gap, and not a three month one or a five month one:

Turns out the four months is exactly the amount of time required to show all of the preliminary event and pre-final table Main Event episodes that ESPN films. So the whole thing will be seamless if you only watch the ESPN coverage.

I'm actually starting to be OK with this, in an "Now that I've thought about it, I don't care a gread deal" way. Thinking back to last year's series, I got a lot more of a kick out of following the bracelet events than I did the Main Event anyway, and the bracelet events will be left untouched.

Numenor80 · May 6, 2008

I actually kind of like it. The players should get a break from all that nonsense.

smd173 · May 6, 2008

OzExorcist said:
Thinking back to last year's series, I got a lot more of a kick out of following the bracelet events than I did the Main Event anyway, and the bracelet events will be left untouched.

But they are showing fewer bracelet events this year.

In '07 they had 9 prelim bracelet events, plus HORSE, plus the ME.

In '08 they have 5 prelim bracelet events, plus HORSE, plus more ME.

OzExorcist · May 6, 2008

smd173 said:
But they are showing fewer bracelet events this year.

In '07 they had 9 prelim bracelet events, plus HORSE, plus the ME.

In '08 they have 5 prelim bracelet events, plus HORSE, plus more ME.

That does suck, granted.

I'm talking about following the events live on the net though.

Yes, I am a nerd

odinscott · May 6, 2008

They talked about this on the PokerCast with Barry G. People are going to be able to go back and watch every other players play, up until that point. They will be able to study the other persons play for the entire tourney until that point (if they are on a tv table of course). That seems to be most of where the significant argument comes from. See when they were bluffing, look for tells etc. It really is good for the marketing guys to rake in a ton of money, but honestly I think it sucks. I wouldnt want to wait if I made it that deep. Though I did hear that they are going to pay everyone that makes the final table, the 9th place spot. So the final 9 guys get 800,000 (whatever the 9th place gets paid), on the spot, so they will have that money to hold them over until the final table is played. I guess it will be good if it brings more players into the sport but I still think it sucks overall. Poker is turning into every other sport, being so commericialized. This is probably why the buyin is still 10,000 - the same as it has been for 30 years. Way back when, 10 grand was a ton of money. That is why only the best came and the tourney didnt have 10,000 players. I would be happy to see them raise the buyin to 30,000 and cut the field by a third...

vanquish · May 6, 2008

what kind of odds will people lay me on the chip leader getting assassinated?

OzExorcist · May 7, 2008

odinscott said:
People are going to be able to go back and watch every other players play, up until that point. They will be able to study the other persons play for the entire tourney until that point (if they are on a tv table of course). That seems to be most of where the significant argument comes from. See when they were bluffing, look for tells etc. ..... Though I did hear that they are going to pay everyone that makes the final table, the 9th place spot. So the final 9 guys get 800,000 (whatever the 9th place gets paid), on the spot, so they will have that money to hold them over until the final table is played.

I guess the argument on the first point is that they'll all have an equal opportunity to study the televised hands before the final table. Like I said earlier, the chance to improve your game is going to be a much bigger deal to the amateurs than it will be to the pros, but then like I said earlier as well, I suspect a lot of the pros have written winning the Main Event off as a long shot at best.

As to the prize money, they're paying everyone 9th place on the spot, and they're also putting the remainder in an interest-bearing account so the remaining prize money will actually grow a little over the four months.

BrentD22 · May 7, 2008

Anyone that thinks it's good for the game must only like watching poker on TV vs. playing poker.

Let' pretend you win the Poker Stars free roll and you get to the final table. You've got some really good reads and know the tells of 3 or 4 players at the table. You feel great and you have momentum on your side. OH wait then you have to wait 4 months to play. The wsop is one giant sattilite to a final table now. Very sad.

smd173 · May 7, 2008

OzExorcist said:
That does suck, granted.

I'm talking about following the events live on the net though.

Yes, I am a nerd

I follow them on the net too. Yes we're nerds, but we're poker fans, so it's all good.

smd173 · May 7, 2008

vanquish said:
what kind of odds will people lay me on the chip leader getting assassinated?

If it's Matusow, 1-5.

beardyian · May 7, 2008

OzExorcist said:
Another article:

A Comprehensive Look at the WSOP Final Table Delay â€“ Part One | Poker News

I won't go so far as to say it's a good article (it's actually entertainingly biased) but it does explain why it's a four month gap, and not a three month one or a five month one:

From the article

While poker isn't actually a sport, the fans watch it in much the same way

Really?

can't say watching a goal in football and AA in poker i have ever reacted the same way lol

MDTed · May 7, 2008

Well, since watching it on television is one of the most boring things I can imagine I doubt it will make any difference to me. I'm certainly not planning to play in it barring some type of miracle win on Stars that gets me a seat (which I would then try to sell to someone for whatever I could get) and even with a seat I doubt I would make it far before succumbing to the boredom of a live event and going all in with nothing.

The reason the ratings are down for tv coverage is that they give the players too much time to make decisions. It's like baseball, without the obvious ball scratching. Who wants to watch while someone sits there for 3 minutes before making a play?

Not that I really want this to happen but I think it would be interesting if during the 3 month hiatus one or more of the competitors became incapacitated and unable to play. I can just see the lawsuits now.

switch0723 · May 7, 2008

BrentD22 said:
Anyone that thinks it's good for the game must only like watching poker on TV vs. playing poker.

Let' pretend you win the Poker Stars free roll and you get to the final table. You've got some really good reads and know the tells of 3 or 4 players at the table. You feel great and you have momentum on your side. OH wait then you have to wait 4 months to play. The WSOP is one giant sattilite to a final table now. Very sad.

lol, worst analagy ever

Fivver · May 7, 2008

Well frankly my first reaction was purely on a selfish note. For me, should I make it to Las Vegas to participate in the main event, this would be a feat in itself. Of course I would then do my very best to make it to the final table. Since I have played poker for a long time I have been on quite a few final tables. My most important final table was in The Hall of Fame Poker Classic Ladies 7-stud event in 1989. It was a grueling 14+ hrs. of playing. This was my second time ever at a final table, but by far the biggest. And even though I could sit and grind for many more hrs. than that in a cash game I have to admit that I was very tired. So a break to recharge ones batteries would not have been wrong.

Then this being in July I would spend another week or two and celebrate my birthday while I was there. After all for me it is not a couple of hours in a car or a plane. it is a long journey just getting there so I would want to spend some time with my son who lives there and rest up before returning to Sweden.

Should I then be among the lucky nine to go on to the final table I would be thrilled at coming back in November to play that last sitting. As pointed out these preceding months I would be able to secure some lucrative sponsoring and build strength for the finishing game. Besides this I would no matter the outcome get to celebrate my sons birthday while there since he is born in November.

Another thing that appeals to me is the fact that this would give legitimacy to the idea that poker is a game of skill not just mere luck. So from that standpoint I think this might be good for poker.

Mariana aka Fivver

chloeroxymax · May 7, 2008

This is the dumbest idea WSOP has ever had.

MDTed · May 8, 2008

I also listened to Greenstein on the pokercast and he talked in depth about it. After hearing his opinions (he's on the committee that had to agree to this change) I don't think anymore that it's totally bad, at least if you're a professional player.

They aren't going to show any of the prerecorded parts of the Main Event for 3 months, then show them for 2 weeks and have 2 weeks off before the actual final table. So, even though you can go out and get coaching, it's not like you're going to be able to specifically target a person's game until after that 3 month period.

Even then how many hands per player do you suppose they are going to show? 10? 15? Surely no more than that and I think it's unlikely that anyone is going to be able to totally extrapolate a player's style from that small a sample.

Since you're not finishing up the viewing until 2 weeks before the final table I don't see it being that bad a deal. I do think that Harrah's or ESPN or someone in charge of the ME should be forced to purchase insurance for every final table member to, let's say, whatever the money is for 4th place just in case something happens that was out of the player's control.

K_Kahne_Fan · May 8, 2008

Did someone from the BCS go to work @ the WSOP?

robwhufc · Oct 30, 2008

Bump

I've changed my mind, I thought it was a stupid idea, but I never realised the delay would create THIS much interest in Poker - it's almost here, I cant wait to see whether my favourite player wins in a couple of weeks!

Who else is as excited as me!

Mortis · Oct 30, 2008

robwhufc said:
Bump

I've changed my mind, I thought it was a stupid idea, but I never realised the delay would create THIS much interest in Poker - it's almost here, I cant wait to see whether my favourite player wins in a couple of weeks!

Who else is as excited as me!

I'm actually pretty excited. I've caught almost every episode.. and the ones that I missed, they post on YouTube anyways

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2 more weeks.

WSOP ME Final Table to be delayed...

what do u think of this?

it is good for the game

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i really dont care as im not going to play the main event

bastard!!!!

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