Do you ever feel like poker rewards patience more than skill?

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There are times where it feels like just waiting for good spots is enough to do well, especially in softer games.

Other times, it feels like you really need to outplay opponents to win.

Do you think patience is more important than advanced skill in most games?
 
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I've felt that a few times, especially with short-term results.
There are times when it seems that just waiting is enough, while more active acting is not rewarded. But over time, I believe skill still makes the biggest difference.
In fast formats like Rush, the feeling that patience is being rewarded even more may be even greater, but I believe this is just a variation in the short term.
 
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É bem isso mesmo!
 
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Nesehorn156 said:
There are times where it feels like just waiting for good spots is enough to do well, especially in softer games.

Other times, it feels like you really need to outplay opponents to win.

Do you think patience is more important than advanced skill in most games?
Patience is the most important thing in all respects.
Without patience you will not be able to improve your game, and therefore you will have no prospects. Without patience you will not be able to play disciplinedly and therefore you will be doomed to losses. Without patience you will not be able to critically assess risks and therefore you will never get good results.
 
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Patience is a skill. In softer games especially, it’s probably the most important one.

A lot of players know what the “right” play is, but don’t have the discipline to actually wait for good spots or fold when they should. If you can consistently avoid marginal situations and let other players make bigger mistakes, you don’t need to outplay people in complicated spots very often.

In tougher games that changes a bit, because edges are smaller and you do need more technical skill. But even then, without patience and discipline, the rest doesn’t really matter.
 
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i will help but to a certain degree. at some point you have to be active or you'll loose to many bb, sb.
 
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Yes, absolutely. Patience is probably one of the most important skills if you want to be a good poker player, both during the game and when it comes to managing your bankroll.
 
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Yeah we definitely have to be patient, not only for cards (we don’t want to be too nitty) but be patient for those spots where we see clear opening to exploit our opponent.
 
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Patience is very important in this game because you won't always have strong hands, and even when you do, you won't necessarily win. That's why I consider patience so important.
 
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Just as patients are important to doctors, patience is important to poker players.
 
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There is something called the "implosion factor" where players will make neg ev icm moves, and if the implosion factor is high you can play tighter.

Basically it means the higher the factor, the more likely a villan is to "dive" on the bubble ie make an icm mistake that costs them their tourney life.

This can also be used to evaluate whether you should play a hand or not considering the payout structure.

You can often see Phil Ivey demonstrate this concept when he gets short stacked, he often forgoes pos ev moves because of his skill edge and possible implosions. Basically he wants to outplay someone or for them to outplay themselves, rather than flipping it. It might look like he is missing pos ev opportunities, but he can justify his patience.
 
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Nesehorn156 said:
Há momentos em que parece que simplesmente esperar por boas oportunidades é suficiente para se sair bem, especialmente em jogos mais fáceis.

Outras vezes, parece que você realmente precisa superar os adversários para vencer.

Você acha que a paciência é mais importante do que a habilidade avançada na maioria dos jogos?
I don't think so. Patience is part of this, but a skilled player can read the table and opponents faster and may or may not use patience to wait for better hands, or act to make the bluffs more effective.
 
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burro said:
Já senti isso algumas vezes, especialmente com resultados de curto prazo.
Há momentos em que parece que apenas esperar é suficiente, enquanto agir de forma mais ativa não é recompensado. Mas, com o tempo, acredito que a habilidade ainda faz toda a diferença.
Em formatos rápidos como Rush, a sensação de que a paciência está sendo ainda mais recompensada pode ser ainda maior, mas acredito que isso seja apenas uma variação de curto prazo.
I agree with you. In short or fast-paced tournaments, it can be hard to stay patient, which is when skill really comes into play.
 
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MishkaZL said:
A paciência é a coisa mais importante em todos os aspectos.
Sem paciência, você não conseguirá aprimorar seu jogo e, portanto, não terá perspectivas. Sem paciência, você não conseguirá jogar com disciplina e, portanto, estará fadado a derrotas. Sem paciência, você não conseguirá avaliar os riscos criticamente e, portanto, nunca obterá bons resultados.
It is important, but without skill, even if you’re patient, your decisions won’t be good in the long run.
 
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EvertonGirl said:
A paciência é uma habilidade. Em jogos mais tranquilos, em especial, é provavelmente a mais importante.

Muitos jogadores sabem qual é a jogada "certa", mas não têm a disciplina para esperar por boas oportunidades ou desistir quando deveriam. Se você conseguir evitar situações marginais e deixar que outros jogadores cometam erros maiores, não precisará superar seus oponentes em situações complicadas com tanta frequência.

Em jogos mais difíceis, isso muda um pouco, porque as bordas são menores e você precisa de mais habilidade técnica. Mas mesmo assim, sem paciência e disciplina, o resto não importa muito.
I agree, but I tend to focus more on skill than patience. But, of course, we cannot neglect patience.
 
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dannystanks said:
Sim, definitivamente precisamos ser pacientes, não apenas com as cartas (não queremos ser muito conservadores), mas também ter paciência para aqueles momentos em que vemos uma clara oportunidade de explorar a situação do nosso oponente.
Sometimes the problem isn't a lack of patience, but rather not knowing which hands to throw at that table.
 
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TeUnit said:
There is something called the "implosion factor" where players will make neg ev icm moves, and if the implosion factor is high you can play tighter.

Basically it means the higher the factor, the more likely a villan is to "dive" on the bubble ie make an icm mistake that costs them their tourney life.

This can also be used to evaluate whether you should play a hand or not considering the payout structure.

You can often see Phil Ivey demonstrate this concept when he gets short stacked, he often forgoes pos ev moves because of his skill edge and possible implosions. Basically he wants to outplay someone or for them to outplay themselves, rather than flipping it. It might look like he is missing pos ev opportunities, but he can justify his patience.
Here, the content has reached a profound level.
 
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