You might want to brush up on your understanding of implied odds. Thee term refers to chips or money not in the pot than you might win if you hit your hand. Since the three opponents are all in, there are no implied odds. This is a pot odds situation.Ezekiel162 said:
As for raising in the first place, when you iso-raise without a premium hand, you're looking either to take down the pot immediately or to see the flop in position and with the lead, preferably against one opponent. The more limpers, the less likely you are to get such a situation. If / when one calls, it starts a domino effect where the pot odds are improved for those yet to act.
Understood. I'm starting to wish I had named the thread "Different betting types for differents situations discussion". I know that all 3 bets type are diff...baudib1 said:
Completely understood as well as the point I was originally was trying to make was:baudib1 said:
Ezekiel162 said:
Sorry. In my attempt to try to give a hypothetical situation that I seem to encounter regularly I mistakenly used the term "implied" when it clearly should have been "pot" odds. My bad... should I use any future examples I will post HHs or sections thereof. I know that "implied" refers to calculations based on expected...Arjonius said:
Very good point. Anytime I enter a pot with prospective players I take the chance that I could be raised or shoved. Just didn't think all 3 shoves would have been after my position. Would you have the played the hand with the approx standard 3BB or folded KdQd from the CO?Arjonius said:
Re-visiting the "Probe Bet" briefly. It finally hit me why forum members consider the "probe" to be fairly stupid/wasteful. I was playing an SNG (5/10 blinds) yesterday where an opponent, being first to enter the pot, placed a raise of 27chips and was called by 6 other players. He eventually folded on the next street to a almost insignificant re-raise. I thought "Wtf? how stupid could he be? He lost value, learned nothing about the other players cards and..." ("doh"... smacks head..."Didn't CC members tell me that it made no sense to use a probe bet to...") 😱
Finally occurred to me why members always state the main purpose of a bet/raise is either for value (In the event of the strongest holdings) or as a bluff (Getting stronger hands to fold). Betting/raising appropriately achieves the incorrect notion of a (I'll admit...) "silly" probe bet and then some.
As I learn even more from the forums, and see some of the former concepts I had fade, i'll probably look back eventually and laugh at my different stages of play because I'm laughing at this one right now...
Finally occurred to me why members always state the main purpose of a bet/raise is either for value (In the event of the strongest holdings) or as a bluff (Getting stronger hands to fold). Betting/raising appropriately achieves the incorrect notion of a (I'll admit...) "silly" probe bet and then some.
As I learn even more from the forums, and see some of the former concepts I had fade, i'll probably look back eventually and laugh at my different stages of play because I'm laughing at this one right now...
BlueNowhere said:Example of what I talked about earlier.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.5 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds 6 Ante (2 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB (t1645)
Hero (BB) (t1355)
Hero's M: 13.28
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 2
SB calls t30, Hero checks
Flop: (t132) A, 7
, A(2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets t60, Hero calls t60
Turn: (t252) 7(2 players)
Hero bets t105, 1 fold
Total pot: t252
Results:Hero didn't show 4, 2.
Outcome: Hero won t252
What am I missing here?
If you are BB and villain is SB, how do you get to act first and play this hand oop and get to donk bet?