The only reasonable time to fold KK is in a large tournament near-bubble situation against a larger stack. The nature of the bubble matters. If this is a tournament with roughly even or chop potential (i.e. Final 30 places qualify for equal or relatively equal prize or entry into some larger tournament).
In all other situations, you are playing to win 1st place and you should call with KK. The risk of your kings being cracked by a weaker hand is actually greater than the chance that you'll run into AA. If you do run into AA, you still have a 15% chance to win 😀 .
In all other situations, you are playing to win 1st place and you should call with KK. The risk of your kings being cracked by a weaker hand is actually greater than the chance that you'll run into AA. If you do run into AA, you still have a 15% chance to win 😀 .
I actually considered it last night - for about a second and a half. Final table - 4 left - pays 5
$64,000 in play at the table.
One shove for $13,000
One shove for $13,500
I have $28,000 and am chip leader with KK
A beautiful set up to get down to 3 players, but also a set up if I call to go heads up holding a 5-1 chip lead. Like I said - I tried for about a second and a half to consider folding but it was a ludicrous option. I did think someone could have AA and just before calling said this is gonna be a bitch if it's a cooler. We flip them over - no cooler - QQ vs TT vs KK. TT rivers an inside straight for the win. I'll do the exact same thing every time in that situation.
$64,000 in play at the table.
One shove for $13,000
One shove for $13,500
I have $28,000 and am chip leader with KK
A beautiful set up to get down to 3 players, but also a set up if I call to go heads up holding a 5-1 chip lead. Like I said - I tried for about a second and a half to consider folding but it was a ludicrous option. I did think someone could have AA and just before calling said this is gonna be a bitch if it's a cooler. We flip them over - no cooler - QQ vs TT vs KK. TT rivers an inside straight for the win. I'll do the exact same thing every time in that situation.
Jack Daniels said:
I just noticed that now (I'm getting slow)Kenzie 96 said:
My chips would be in the middle faster than guy before me here.MediaBLITZ said:
same (obv.)andrewsz1991 said:
OP, pretty sure you might want to consider playing around with some odds calculators to see how hands match up vs. one another. (there are plenty of them out there.. google search is your friend)
I would never EVVVVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRRRR fold pocket kings in a heads up match. Not even if i was 99.9% sure he had aces. It could be I'm to big of a donk but couldn't fold. I think i've only folded them one time pre flop in my entire poker career come to think of it.
You can't ever really fold KK in this spot. It's much better than weak pairs for lots of the reasons listed previously (he could pair his kicker, for example, which would give him twice as many outs to beating a low pair over your king.)
KK dominates any hand except for AA.. Chances you run into AA are minimal.
Only time I'd consider folding this is on the bubble if there was someone very short stacked (e.g. 2-3BB left) close to busting, and I had a big stack, and a fellow big stack who had me covered slightly pushed all-in against me.
At that point you probably gain more $EV by folding than calling.
The other obvious case is if you have a big stack, there's short stacks and you're on the bubble of a satellite tournament. At that point you fold everything into a big stack's all-in push, even aces.
edit: if you want to know more about when you can fold KK in a SNG, I suggest either reading: [ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kill-Everyone-Strategies-Tournaments-Sit-n-Gos/dp/1935396307"]Kill Everyone[/ame] or checking out this ebook: [ame="http://www.plentypoker.com/sit-and-go-strategy-guide/"]Sit-N-Go Strategy Guide[/ame] it covers some of the concepts in the "Kill Everyone" book, and applies them to various stages of an SNG (and it's free). I had a flick through it a couple days ago when they released it, and it seems pretty solid. If you're really serious about your game, then take a look through the eBook and buy Kill Everyone, too.
KK dominates any hand except for AA.. Chances you run into AA are minimal.
Only time I'd consider folding this is on the bubble if there was someone very short stacked (e.g. 2-3BB left) close to busting, and I had a big stack, and a fellow big stack who had me covered slightly pushed all-in against me.
At that point you probably gain more $EV by folding than calling.
The other obvious case is if you have a big stack, there's short stacks and you're on the bubble of a satellite tournament. At that point you fold everything into a big stack's all-in push, even aces.
edit: if you want to know more about when you can fold KK in a SNG, I suggest either reading: [ame="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kill-Everyone-Strategies-Tournaments-Sit-n-Gos/dp/1935396307"]Kill Everyone[/ame] or checking out this ebook: [ame="http://www.plentypoker.com/sit-and-go-strategy-guide/"]Sit-N-Go Strategy Guide[/ame] it covers some of the concepts in the "Kill Everyone" book, and applies them to various stages of an SNG (and it's free). I had a flick through it a couple days ago when they released it, and it seems pretty solid. If you're really serious about your game, then take a look through the eBook and buy Kill Everyone, too.
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