I'm not interested in trying to justify my opinion to the likes of you in the manner you expect. We went over this. To simply dismiss my reasoning because it's not "proof" is rather asinine. Proving anything at all when it comes to playing poker is not a simple task. That's the beauty of the game and why so many players are terrible at it and can't progress beyond the smallest of stakes. I made this topic to offer my thoughts and opinions on various aspects of the game that posters on this board were clearly struggling with, but if I can't have a discussion about poker without having to round up multiple "experts" to validate my posts then obv I'm no longer interested in trying to help people like that. I can simply have poker conversations on other forums or even other boards on this forum without people requiring a team of "poker experts" to justify what's being discussed or w/e toolbaggery like that. Once again, you do what you want.
To not accept your opinion because you have provided no reasoning is easy.DunningKruger said:
You apparently made this thread to offer an unusual opinion that you are either unwilling or unable to support, whether by laying out the reasoning that went into it, by showing that at least some recognized players think as you do, or by any other means except simply saying you're right.
If you truly want to help people, then it strikes me that showing me and others how and why you think the way you do would be much more helpful than just telling us what you think.
It's no surprise that you're more comfortable having your poker conversations on other forums where, presumably, you are never asked what underlies any unusual views you express.
Nice try lol. You're not interested in reasoning or you wouldn't be oblivious to the fact I provided some that I would've elaborated on had you cared enough to ask. Your agenda is obv not an actual poker discussion (harping on this poker expert thing over and over is not a discussion it's merely a week's worth of idiocy) and since the viewpoints of vastly superior players don't matter to you and that your mind is clearly already made up about this, making the effort of actually gathering up a multitude of people as a favour to you who've shared an opinion on this topic will just prove to be the same waste of time that replying to your posts and allowing you to perpetuate this ridiculousness is.
Everything you said here is dead wrong, and I'm now becoming convinced you already knew that when you typed it. That unusual opinion was actually a dozen or so different opinions on different things being discussed here - most of which you've ignored but all of which were equally important in my decision to make this thread. It's not that there's one person out there who doesn't agree with all of it (god help me if you actually did think as I do when it comes to poker) in fact it's a bit of a shame you didn't disagree with more than that one small point out of the entire post, but the way you're going about this "conversation" is a lot more like someone who's just trying to argue for the sake of arguing than anyone who'd be legitimately interested in getting even slightly better at the game. The pot kettle thing about me declaring I'm right and not saying why is the icing on the cake. I don't have an interest in helping someone like that become a better player, but it's cool because there were at least other players who did in fact appreciate the post and got something out of it - a couple of 'em posting in here before the derailment.
Arjonius said:
Everything you said here is dead wrong, and I'm now becoming convinced you already knew that when you typed it. That unusual opinion was actually a dozen or so different opinions on different things being discussed here - most of which you've ignored but all of which were equally important in my decision to make this thread. It's not that there's one person out there who doesn't agree with all of it (god help me if you actually did think as I do when it comes to poker) in fact it's a bit of a shame you didn't disagree with more than that one small point out of the entire post, but the way you're going about this "conversation" is a lot more like someone who's just trying to argue for the sake of arguing than anyone who'd be legitimately interested in getting even slightly better at the game. The pot kettle thing about me declaring I'm right and not saying why is the icing on the cake. I don't have an interest in helping someone like that become a better player, but it's cool because there were at least other players who did in fact appreciate the post and got something out of it - a couple of 'em posting in here before the derailment.
What viewpoints of vastly superior players are you referring to? You've only provided your own opinion. This seems to indicate that you consider yourself so superior that we should simply accept your word as gospel, no matter that you won't or can't back yourself up EITHER by pointing out where recognized players have expressed the same opinion, OR by sharing the thinking that you put into forming it.DunningKruger said:
So EITHER show where players who are recognized as superior have stated otherwise OR show your reasoning.
A dozen things or so? Where?
I haven't ignored anything in this thread. I'm not willing to accept what you've said without more backing than you've been able or willing to offer.
Positioning or imagining yourself as pure of heart and altruistic and questioning my motives with no basis to do so does absolutely nothing to support your opinion.
You apparently don't have an interest in helping anyone who won't accept what you say unquestioningly.
Whether some players got something from other parts of what you posted does not make the part I'm questioning any less questionable.
don't think so, more a comment on the ecology of poker generally the more experienced players can notice what things people will get stuck on and exploit it heavilyDaReKa said:
personally i love reg fish lol they tend to be rather predictable
rumsey182 said:
Yeah they certainly had marketing in mind when they made that fraudulent claim. They do concede on their website as you get into the details that the game is probably "a few hundred years" away from being solved but it's interesting that they haven't been able to show that s****e has even gotten anywhere close.
Jeez I almost went to bed without giving this guy his reply. Here you go.
Arjon you seem confused buddy. Where do you think.
Yeah I know. You like to say that a lot. I like to respond by telling you I don't care whether or not you personally accept it. You should maybe get it through your head that I'm not trying to justify my opinion to you. Obviously calling you out on your bs doesn't support my original post. Thanks for pointing that out I guess!
The topic was dead the moment you were unable to respond to my points other than to say that you are unaware of players you recognize as experts mirroring my comment. If that's all you've got for me then this is all I've got for you. Cheers.
Arjonius said:
Arjon you seem confused buddy. Where do you think.
Arjonius said:
Yeah I know. You like to say that a lot. I like to respond by telling you I don't care whether or not you personally accept it. You should maybe get it through your head that I'm not trying to justify my opinion to you. Obviously calling you out on your bs doesn't support my original post. Thanks for pointing that out I guess!
The topic was dead the moment you were unable to respond to my points other than to say that you are unaware of players you recognize as experts mirroring my comment. If that's all you've got for me then this is all I've got for you. Cheers.
Where that you've shown? The answer to that would be nowhere.DunningKruger said:
Whether you care if I don't accept your opinion is irrelevant in terms of whether said opinion is based on sufficient grounds for anyone to accept it.
It's not simply about you justifying your opinion to me. It's about what reasons if any there are for everyone who reads this forum to learn and improve to think that your opinion might help them to do so.
Nothing you have said constitutes support for the portion of your original post that I question.
Since zero support is all you're willing to provide for your view, it seems that you have nothing to offer anyone who won't accept it unthinkingly.
Arjonius said:
You don't speak for anyone other than yourself. You represent nobody and you're not doing anyone a favour here (neither am I but oh well). If there are people who want to question or refute the free help I took the time to give then I'm sure they'll do just that. There isn't exactly a line forming or anything. There were a couple of people who've said the post was excellent however. 🙂
If anyone other than you did want me to clarify or debate them on anything I said here then it would have been my pleasure to do so, just as I've done in many other topics around here for the better part of a year now. If they turn out to be quite the knob or spend a week insisting I search out poker experts for them so that they can take our word on something... ~after~ I state in very plain english that "I would never use anyone's reputation or results to justify or discredit any advice when it comes to poker"... then well that's different. Since most people aren't like that, saying I have nothing to offer anyone who won't accept it unthinkingly is - like just about everything else you've been claiming in this topic - entirely false. But hey some people rather enjoy being wrong. Whatever floats your boat.
Arjonius said:
Then you're not reading the posts that you're replying to.
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I never claimed otherwise. You're the one who said people share your opinion.DunningKruger said:
How many said that they thought the part of your post I question was excellent? That number seems to be zero.
A couple of people thinking the post was good overall or that certain parts were good does not mean they thought every part of it was.
So, you've resorted to calling me names now. It seems you aren't willing to let others judge the validity or strength of your opinion on its own merits, and have decided to resort to name-calling because I don't agree with you.
What's more, withholding clarification from me also withholds it from others who would, in you opinion, benefit. Very big of you.
As for not using anyone's reputation or results to justify your opinion, as I pointed out before in equally plain English, you did what you say you never would when attempted to strengthen your position by saying some fish disagree.
If there are any recognized players who think as you do, simply point out some and I will no longer be able to claim I've never seen any. Or show the reasoning behind your advice so that even if I disagree, I'll have to admit there is enough reasoning behind it for other people to at least consider it. Either way, you'll "win" this discussion.
This is another straw man. You can't show me where I said you have nothing to offer because I haven't said so. Curious that you go on to say I'm not reading what I reply to when you're not replying to what I said.
At least one person seems to enjoy refusing to demonstrate that his boat does float. Maybe that's because it doesn't.
You'll notice I've started to emulate your line by line dissection. Hope you like it.
Yes and you must be holding out hope that they secretly disagreed with what I said and yet didn't bother mentioning as such but still replied to compliment my post. Keep the faith Arjon. This is weak.
It seems it seems it seems. It seems I simply gave an example of why my willingness to help someone who frequents the training wheels board might wane. If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, no sweat right.
Go back and read the very post you're replying to lol. I literally just told you that if anyone other than you did want me to clarify or debate them on anything I said here then it would have been my pleasure to do so, just as I've done in many other topics around here for the better part of a year now. I know why you're being intentionally thick btw.
The comment you misunderstood was in practically the same breath as my explanation why pointing to "experts" is a very poor means of justifying an opinion. It's the same one post making the same one point. I have to admit this is pretty awesome. There's a reason why I haven't just laughed you off yet and ignored your ridiculous posts toward me.
Again, the discussion has long been over. This is hardly a discussion in its current form. And yes, I did "win" but here you are still trying to police what people should and should not consider. The whole thing is dumbfounding lol. No one with half a brain is going to weigh the points I've made in my post based on how many good players Arjon knows who've made similar comments. If they want 2nd, 3rd, 4th opinions on the matter and were genuinely interested in the topic as opposed to some pitiable masquerade, they'd be capable of seeking out those opinions themselves ofc.
Oh right and if they had two halves of a brain instead of one half they wouldn't need 2nd, 3rd, or 4th opinions on the matter to begin with.
You've said it at least twice now. If you look I'm sure you'll happen upon one of them (hint: read the post I replied to). What you're telling me you didn't say was literally cut and paste from your post. Seriously. I didn't retype it.
Arjonius said:
Yes and you must be holding out hope that they secretly disagreed with what I said and yet didn't bother mentioning as such but still replied to compliment my post. Keep the faith Arjon. This is weak.
Arjonius said:
It seems it seems it seems. It seems I simply gave an example of why my willingness to help someone who frequents the training wheels board might wane. If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, no sweat right.
Arjonius said:
Go back and read the very post you're replying to lol. I literally just told you that if anyone other than you did want me to clarify or debate them on anything I said here then it would have been my pleasure to do so, just as I've done in many other topics around here for the better part of a year now. I know why you're being intentionally thick btw.
Arjonius said:
The comment you misunderstood was in practically the same breath as my explanation why pointing to "experts" is a very poor means of justifying an opinion. It's the same one post making the same one point. I have to admit this is pretty awesome. There's a reason why I haven't just laughed you off yet and ignored your ridiculous posts toward me.
Arjonius said:
Again, the discussion has long been over. This is hardly a discussion in its current form. And yes, I did "win" but here you are still trying to police what people should and should not consider. The whole thing is dumbfounding lol. No one with half a brain is going to weigh the points I've made in my post based on how many good players Arjon knows who've made similar comments. If they want 2nd, 3rd, 4th opinions on the matter and were genuinely interested in the topic as opposed to some pitiable masquerade, they'd be capable of seeking out those opinions themselves ofc.
Oh right and if they had two halves of a brain instead of one half they wouldn't need 2nd, 3rd, or 4th opinions on the matter to begin with.
Arjonius said:
You've said it at least twice now. If you look I'm sure you'll happen upon one of them (hint: read the post I replied to). What you're telling me you didn't say was literally cut and paste from your post. Seriously. I didn't retype it.