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How is this not a chop... Did the Q phucked me? Or was I losing this no matter what.
 

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Kirbs69 said:
How is this not a chop... Did the Q phucked me? Or was I losing this no matter what.
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You were going to lose anyway, his top card is higher and bigger!
 
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You were going to lose anyway, his top card is higher and bigger!
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So why sometimes when I have him out kicked it's a chop. If there's an ace does that mean we get a chop?
 
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Its chopped if the board plays not your kicker
 
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KKQ T7 beats your KKQ87.
 
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Kirbs69 said:
So why sometimes when I have him out kicked it's a chop. If there's an ace does that mean we get a chop?
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The best 5 card hands that can be made here are KKQT7 & KKQ87....

the Q is shared by both hands but he has a T7 hand and you have an 87 hand....,

to check the strength of your hand start with the highest cards and count down👍
 
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You need to understand a weak kicker...
 
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Its chopped if the board plays not your kicker
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What do you mean by that?
 
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dannystanks said:
KKQ T7 beats your KKQ87.
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Makes sense but what I am asking, why sometimes when I have them out kicked but all of the sudden it's a chop.
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Nevermind I think I understand it now
 
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MK_ said:
The best 5 card hands that can be made here are KKQT7 & KKQ87....

the Q is shared by both hands but he has a T7 hand and you have an 87 hand....,

to check the strength of your hand start with the highest cards and count down👍
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Sounds about right. But why am I chopping sometimes when I have them out kicked?
 
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You need to understand a weak kicker...
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No that I understand. Its when I have them out kicked is what I don't understand. But it's still a chop
 
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You have to take a hit... Otherwise you'll fall often...
 
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sibkaz said:
You have to take a hit... Otherwise you'll fall often...
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Huh 😒 can you speak like a normal person please
 
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Kirbs69 said:
But why am I chopping sometimes when I have them out kicked?
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Because your kicker is counterfeited by the board. If the board is :kd4::qh4::10c4::2s4::2c4:, then :kh4::jd4: and :ks4::9s4: both have two pair KK and 22 with a Q kicker, and your J kicker does not play.
 
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Sorry if I'm not making myself clear... It's just that 2 + 2 doesn't equal 10
 
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Kirbs69 said:
Sounds about right. But why am I chopping sometimes when I have them out kicked?
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.. it's all about the best 5 card hand you can make, the board may help or hurt your hand, or you may both end up with the same 5 card hand then it's a chop👍
 
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Because your kicker is counterfeited by the board. If the board is :kd4::qh4::10c4::2s4::2c4:, then :kh4::jd4: and :ks4::9s4: both have two pair KK and 22 with a Q kicker, and your J kicker does not play.
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So only a pair on the board can chop?
 
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sibkaz said:
Sorry if I'm not making myself clear... It's just that 2 + 2 doesn't equal 10
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Tf are you on about...
 
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MK_ said:
.. it's all about the best 5 card hand you can make, the board may help or hurt your hand, or you may both end up with the same 5 card hand then it's a chop👍
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So any time the board is paired there is a high likelihood to be chopping then?
 
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Kirbs69 said:
So any time the board is paired there is a high likelihood to be chopping then?
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Well it depends on the players cards and what each can make from the board, ...for the hand you posted here if there was a pair on the board with the shared KKQ you both would have the same hand, you both could have KKQ66, or KKQ22, or KKQJJ you still chop,
...but if it was the Q paired on the board then both players have KKQQ for the highest cards and we're back to
needing to use another card to make a 5 card hand...then kickers come back into play
 
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Kirbs69 said:
So only a pair on the board can chop?
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No a kicker can also be counterfeited on an unpaired board. This just typically require a lower kicker, because 3 cards on the board need to be beat the kicker. But on :as4::kh4::10d4::2s4::9c4: hands like :ac4::8d4: and :ah4::3c4: both have AAKT9 and chop the pot. This is basically why, weak aces dont have much equity edge against each other. A5o only has 56% equity against A3o, because a lot of runouts will counterfeit a 5 kicker, and a chopped pot will be very common. AKo on the other hand has 74% equity against AJo.
 
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The best 5 cards combo wins (of board+hand). So, as already mentioned KKQT7 beats your KKQ87. In this case your 8 plays against vilian's T (and loses).
 
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No a kicker can also be counterfeited on an unpaired board. This just typically require a lower kicker, because 3 cards on the board need to be beat the kicker. But on :as4::kh4::10d4::2s4::9c4: hands like :ac4::8d4: and :ah4::3c4: both have AAKT9 and chop the pot. This is basically why, weak aces dont have much equity edge against each other. A5o only has 56% equity against A3o, because a lot of runouts will counterfeit a 5 kicker, and a chopped pot will be very common. AKo on the other hand has 74% equity against AJo.
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Mk explained it better. But I love that you are getting involved tho. Thanks for that.
 
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Mario7 said:
The best 5 cards combo wins (of board+hand). So, as already mentioned KKQT7 beats your KKQ87. In this case your 8 plays against vilian's T (and loses).
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It's already been explained. Thanks for getting involved tho 😉 🤠
 
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Sounds like you got it!
 
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