**Official Micro Stakes Madness 5NL,10NL,25NL Focus Group**

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dg1267 said:
Here are my stats so far for Feb. If someone could give me a little feedback on what I might be doing wrong.

1) You're limping/cold calling WAY too much. Standardly, your PFR should be 2/3+ of your VPIP.

2) You're not stealing nearly enough. Anything lower than 30% is a very serious leak, imo.

3) Your WTSD is very high. Generally higher than 30% is a pretty big leak.

4) You're not being quite aggressive enough post flop. You're calling too much which is probably leading to your high WTSD.
 
Out of interest what would be considered a good range for each of these stats? like if 30% WTSD is the upper end of the range, what would be the lower end?
 
Stu_Ungar said:
Out of interest what would be considered a good range for each of these stats? like if 30% WTSD is the upper end of the range, what would be the lower end?

20%
 
If you wouldn't mind, dsvw, could you repost your post and include the stats that you used to make these decisions and then what that stat should ideally be?

Like ...

1) You're limping/cold calling WAY too much. Standardly, your PFR should be 2/3+ of your VPIP. (and then) my stat/ what stat should be

That would help me understand where you're coming from and what I should do to fix it. Thanks.
 
He just means if you're playing 15% of hands you should be raising at a minimum of 10%, preferrably more. 10/15=2/3. The other 1/3 or less is all the limps and cold calls. So you're stats are 30.9/14.4...either raise more so its 30/20+ (I'm assuming 6max?) or play less hands so its 20/14 (or closer together)...or something in between like 24/20, either way stop limping/calling so much.
 
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Postion stats. Any obvs leaks? My 3bet% seems to be all over the place😕.
And isnt my c-bet a litle low?
 

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Yeah, I've been trying to get that down, but it really hasn't been working. I'm gonna spend tomorrow reading a lot of the material in C9's latest big post. It's got a lot of really good stuff in it.
 
sindri_93 said:
Postion stats. Any obvs leaks? My 3bet% seems to be all over the place😕.
And isnt my c-bet a litle low?

C bet looks fine. I really dont see any major leaks. I would consider maybe opening up your range a little more in middle positions, possibly play some suited connectors. if you dont hit, then fold obviously. You seem to have pretty tight stats though. Keep up the good work.
 
sindri_93 said:
Postion stats. Any obvs leaks? My 3bet% seems to be all over the place😕.
And isnt my c-bet a litle low?

C-bet is fine. You could probably 3-bet slightly more out of the blinds, but it's obv. very player specific. Only thing I see really is you should probably be playing more hands from the button and cutoff. Also work on adjusting your EP/MP ranges slightly. Notice how your VPIP stays basically the same until the HJ? It should be a steadily increasing number. I'd say start off by tightening up slightly UTG, then go from there. I don't play FR at all, so someone who does help me out here. Is 22+,AJs+,AQo+ a fairly standard UTG range (like 9% of all hands)?
 
I posted the following here: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/poker-goals-challenges-wins-46/ . I think it's worth repeating.

BelgoSuisse said:
Words of wisdom...

Don't play play money games, don't play freeroll MTTs, don't play micro cash games. In general, avoid any games where the way villains play is so far away from real poker that you end up learning bad habits because they work to exploit the ultra-fishes you meet at those stakes.

In online poker, you usually don't have time to think as much as you would like about each hand, putting villain on a range of hands and assessing the EV of each line you could take against this range. Especially when you multitable, which is a must if you want to make serious money. So you end up making a lot of decisions in a sort of Pavlovian way. You take decisions because you've been in similar situations a lot and learnt that a given line gives best results on average. Learning bad habits at micro stakes is something that will make you lose a ton of money once you move up.

In that sense, i think micro players should focus on STTs until they have the bankroll to play 10nl at least. Because the correct strategy for STTs remains the same whatever the stakes you play - play tightish early, push/fold appropriately when blinds go up - so you're not picking up bad habits by playing them.
 
I think if you do play against people who are that bad you need to understand why you do what you do. If you never learn how to play against a 90/74 (if you're turning into a nit and only playing monsters you're doing it wrong) what happens when you want to isolate the whale sitting at your high-stakes game? Poker is so opponent-dependent and the more you move up the more it becomes important to recognize opponents and exploit them. There are some people I could consider folding KK preflop against and others where I'll snap-shove JJ for 100 BBs. I've seen videos where there will be aggro history that gets them to shove hands like 77 for value. Just because you don't does this mean you're picking up bad habits? I just don't see how starting out learning how to crush the calling stations I'm assuming you find plenty of at 2nl/5nl is horrible. Honestly I think it'd be more boring than anything, but I think any time you move up you need to make adjustments. I guess the biggest thing is just making assumptions about the "average player" at a given limt. Against an average 25nl player I've heard getting AK in preflop is a huge mistake. Against an average player I run into at 200 or 400nl I'm never folding AK if one of us is hijack or later and the other is in the blinds. Which one is real poker? As long as you modify the average player to fit the player at your limit I disagree with the quote here.

On top of that I think STTs are the same way. I've dabbled a bit in STTs from $20 to $60 and I've played a few $2 ones. Let me tell you they are extremely different and it's the same concept as cash, I wouldn't recommend stealing ever at the $2 game while stealing is paramount to building a decent stack at the higher-stakes ones, while I'd be value betting hands like 2nd and 3rd pair at the lower-stakes games. Poker's all about adjusting to opponents. While I think you may do better to just deposit rather than run it up from a freeroll for sanity sake, I disagree that playing lower limits will build bad habits.
 
zachvac said:
Poker is so opponent-dependent and the more you move up the more it becomes important to recognize opponents and exploit them.

Against individual opponents i agree with you. stakes don't matter as long as you adjust to your villain.

But it's not true when you consider table dynamics. Open-limping an implied odds hand at micro stakes is very good as most of the time you'll get a family pot, and when someone raises you he'll offer huge implied odds, in both cases you are in a very good spot. Doing that at higher stakes will be bleeding away money as you'll keep getting isolated and cbetted out of your hands until you do hit and won't be paid off oop. The difference between the two cases is NOT about adapting to a specific villain, it's about adapting to whole tables.
 
sigh, sums up february now to get unstuck!

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

UTG: $28.95 (115.8 bb)
UTG+1: $25.15 (100.6 bb)
MP1: $5.95 (23.8 bb)
MP2: $27.45 (109.8 bb)
MP3: $4.65 (18.6 bb)
CO: $3.50 (14 bb)
Hero (BTN): $25 (100 bb)
SB: $28.65 (114.6 bb)
BB: $14 (56 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with K:club: K:diamond:
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 3 folds, MP2 calls $2.25

Flop: ($6.60) 4:spade: 4:heart: 5:club: (2 players)
MP2 bets $3, Hero raises to $12, MP2 raises to $21, Hero raises to $22 and is all-in, MP2 calls $1

Turn: ($50.60) J:diamond: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($50.60) 4:club: (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results:[spoil] $50.60 pot ($2.50 rake)
MP2 showed J:club: J:heart: (a full house, Jacks full of Fours) and won $48.10 ($23.10 net)
Hero mucked K:club: K:diamond: (a full house, Fours full of Kings) and lost (-$25 net)
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Here's my positional stats for Feb. If someone could point out any trouble spots. This is all for 6 max 10NL.
 

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dg1267 said:
Here's my positional stats for Feb. If someone could point out any trouble spots. This is all for 6 max 10NL.
looks ok but your VP in the SB looks way high,you geting a discount but still when its folded to you in the SB just raise or fold more.
Your basicly limping way to much everywhere,example 22/10 in early is bad since you shouldnt be open limping so much(or perferable at all imo) so start folding more UTG-UTG+1 and dont open limp there.
Try only limping if theres a few limpers in front and u have a pair or SC(rather raise thouse hands if theres just one limper infront so u can take it down with a c-bet).
Not 100% sure but W$SH% seems low to me,shouldnt it be idealy in the 50-60% range?
So yeah start folding more marginal hands on turn/river.

But most importantly STOP LIMPING 😉
 
sindri_93 said:
looks ok but your VP in the SB looks way high,you geting a discount but still when its folded to you in the SB just raise or fold more.
Your basicly limping way to much everywhere,example 22/10 in early is bad since you shouldnt be open limping so much(or perferable at all imo) so start folding more UTG-UTG+1 and dont open limp there.
Try only limping if theres a few limpers in front and u have a pair or SC(rather raise thouse hands if theres just one limper infront so u can take it down with a c-bet).
Not 100% sure but W$SH% seems low to me,shouldnt it be idealy in the 50-60% range?
So yeah start folding more marginal hands on turn/river.

But most importantly STOP LIMPING 😉

Thanks for the info! I'm gonna have to pay more attention to my early position play I guess. I don't limp that much anymore, but most of that might be from earlier in the month. The last half of this month I've really been trying to be more positionally aware and quit limping in so much. I guess we'll see next month.🙂
 
tenbob said:
Yea ill help out with this as well.

Moving this to learning poker as well, if it is successful ill sticky it.

Edit : There will be a more suitable home for this in the next week or so.
just curiuos, what happend to this?
 
Hey guys, just updated the blog with a summary of my first month as a cg player, please have a quick scan and see what you think because i'm not sure if it's been that great.

I've posted my stats below as well for my first 11k hands, can anybody spot any obvious leaks straight away??

Would be extremely grateful for any advice
 

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