dg1267 said:
afaik = as far as I know
The second is ldo and = like, duh, obviously
I really need to start playing some hands.... Played nothing today on a day where it's gonna be even fishier than usual 🙁 Had last week off and only managed like 4k hands when I could easily have done double and been pretty much rolled for 10nl....
And enty, I think zach meant that say four of you agreed to play a certain amount of hands for say, for arguments sake, $10 if one didn't make it to that level of hands, then that $10 is shared between the other three
eNTy said:
This is a pretty standard session at 5nl fro me tbh 🙂 Although of course you get paid off with EVERY single hand you get which kinda makes up for it...
Yeah tomorrow's a new day but seen as I'm still up at like 4am I won't get up till like 2pm won't feel like playing... cycle continues... Plus, school work sucks so bad...
Btw how are you running atm enty, I thought things were going better this time at 25 but things seem kinda... bad now...
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eNTy said:
I had an absolutely shocking night last night at 5nl, lost all the coin i'd made this week, like $30! i've decided to set a stop loss point of $10 from now on, i was gettin some horrible beats lol, had JJ in the co, raise it up, 3 callers, flop comes Kxx, loads of action so i fold, turns out the other 3 had like K3 K6 and K10, they each had 1 out against me and it flopped lol only on pokerstars its rigged god dammit!! 🙂
Is it just me or does anyone else think that some of the hands when played out look like pure action hands, designed with one purpose in mind.... rake lol
surely they should have folded K3, K6 and possibly even K10 anyway IMO OOP facing a raise so they get themselves into shitty spots and feed the rake themselves lol
Also how does everybody feel about some kind of awards/motivation/pride prop bets. Basically we could have most hands played, most profit, best winrate, best winrate above 30k hands for grinders, best winrate under 20k for others and most BIs won. These "awards" could give us some motivation to get cracking and knuckle down.
Just a thought discuss..
Also how does everybody feel about some kind of awards/motivation/pride prop bets. Basically we could have most hands played, most profit, best winrate, best winrate above 30k hands for grinders, best winrate under 20k for others and most BIs won. These "awards" could give us some motivation to get cracking and knuckle down.
Just a thought discuss..
After last night I've dropped to 6 BB/100 since I start playing on this laptop (4.4k hands). So dropped from 12 to 6BB/100 but can't complain about that lol.
I was running hot the last few days anyway.
So yeah grinding the sat night donks is apparently -EV for me 🙁
I was running hot the last few days anyway.
So yeah grinding the sat night donks is apparently -EV for me 🙁
Yeah, pokers such a frustrating game, all the effort during the week gone in an hour n a half 🙁 gutted, live and learn, just means i'll have to recreate last weeks success this week to get back up to 180 again. Hopefully should have another 210 fpp's saved this week so that might give me an extra $10 towards the roll.
The prop bets would be cool but i don't think i'd win much considering your all playing at higher levels, but if theres anybody playing 5nl who's interested in a little prop bet, and i mean like 1 buyin, then i'm open to it
The prop bets would be cool but i don't think i'd win much considering your all playing at higher levels, but if theres anybody playing 5nl who's interested in a little prop bet, and i mean like 1 buyin, then i'm open to it
I've just gone over the important hands from yesterday and I noticed I lost a lot of value in hands I won.
Basically I saw myself underbetting flops, mostly with flopped sets, vs total droolers. Looking for action I imagine when I would have gotten action from them with a much bigger bet and thus more money.
I made some bad reads and some questionable calls where I probably should've shoved or folded. Aside from the standard beats and coolers of course.
^ afraid to go to valuetown ? 😕
Basically I saw myself underbetting flops, mostly with flopped sets, vs total droolers. Looking for action I imagine when I would have gotten action from them with a much bigger bet and thus more money.
I made some bad reads and some questionable calls where I probably should've shoved or folded. Aside from the standard beats and coolers of course.
^ afraid to go to valuetown ? 😕
orangepeeleo said:
you would be able to get hands, BB/100, Buy Ins, BB/100 Max 20k hands or if you grind it out BB/100 over 30k hands thats why I suggested things like this so its a fair competition and it would be just for fun or could be for $$ up to you guys to decide
I'm trying to stick to tourney play. This ring sh*t is for the birds. I'm so tired of losing b/i after b/i to poorly played hands that should never be there in the first place.
Last time I hit a big tourney win I lost it all in ring, so I'm not doing it again. If someone is up for a sweat to show me what I'm doing wrong, great. But otherwise, I'll just hang out in the tourney alleys. So, no prop bets for me.
Last time I hit a big tourney win I lost it all in ring, so I'm not doing it again. If someone is up for a sweat to show me what I'm doing wrong, great. But otherwise, I'll just hang out in the tourney alleys. So, no prop bets for me.
dg1267 said:
Interesting you should say that, dg. I was just thinking about that myself.
I think one of my biggest problems is that I can't put people on the hands that they have after I've raised or 3bet pre or bet the flop hard. Then I proceed to pay them off when their hand hits, thereby justifying their calls.
One of the things that I've just started doing is going back through HEM and actually writing down some of the hands that call my 3bets or heavy pre and flop action to teach myself what some people are playing. The range is a heck of a lot wider than I imagine and I need to understand that.
FWIW, laying down big hands in not a skill that you absolutely need to learn in order to profit in this game. Actually, my absolute favorite player note is "nit can lay down OP". Then I start to hit about 33% of my sets instead of 11%. At least that's what i let him think... 😀
Also, you should not worry at all about hands where you lose a stack but you didn't give away huge implied odds, like loosing with an overpair to a set in a 3bet pot where villain barely had set-mining odds. It's standard, there's nothing you can do about it. When you lose less than 8 times the preflop raise, you should consider yourself the actual winner of the hand.
Also, you should not worry at all about hands where you lose a stack but you didn't give away huge implied odds, like loosing with an overpair to a set in a 3bet pot where villain barely had set-mining odds. It's standard, there's nothing you can do about it. When you lose less than 8 times the preflop raise, you should consider yourself the actual winner of the hand.
dg1267 said:
LOL you got to change the way you view things mate.
This is poker not chess.. winning and loosing are not as clearly defined in a game where chance is so preverlent. If you play consistantly better than your opponents then you will profit if they play better than you then you will not profit.
But at any given time a good player may find himself on a wnning or a looing streak...
Think of good BRM as a battery for luck.. when you do well you put more charge into that battery.. when you find yourself loosing, BRM slows down the loss of charge (you drop a level).
If you played chess you would find the wins and losses more directly related to your level of skill.. at the same time you would find the level of play much more difficult than the play offered to you in poker.. the element of chance brings more bad players to the table.. if it were just pure skill then only the best would compete.
Remember you dont even have to be above average tyo make money at poker.. you just need to find a table where the level of skill is less than your own.
I think too many aspiring poker players fail to get to the next level because they dont understand that its a gamble.. one that you are trying to take with an edge ..
I know in theroy you understand this.. but right now you dont believe it in your heart. We could talk for hours about +EV and you are intellegent enough to explain how a +EV situation works.. but in your heart can you accept that you can loose a +EV situation? can you accept that you can loose 10 +EV situations in a row?
Thats the difference between a chess player and a poker player.. in chess there is no chance.. in poker there is.
You can only begin to learn this lesson on a downswing.. Everyone thinks they understand it when they are winning.. its all a result of their skill..but its actually a combination of skill and chance.
On a downswing its still a combination of skill and chance except the chance isnt going your way.
Luck is luck.. sometimes you get good cards in a favorable situation and you profit.. sometimes good cards are useless.. if noone else makes a hand you make little from them..
But in the LR you get as much luck as the next guy and just as much bad luck too.. then skill really is making the most when you have te cards and loosing as little as possible when you dont.
Chin up mate.. you will find yourself on an upswing soon enough!
Stu_Ungar said:
Great post, imo.
And, yes, I know that I can lose 10 +EV's in a row. That kind of thinking is what made me (and Crystal) decide to keep my winnings on the site and not pull it off. But I feel like I'm a better tourney player than I am a ring player. I don't think I'm bad at ring, just not very profitable.
So that's what I'm saying. If I can get some more sweat sessions/learning in and start learning to be a more profitable player, then I would probably go back to playing ring more.
But atm, I'm playing 10NL and I just keep losing money. I won this money in tournaments and I just keep losing it at ring. That's why I've made the decision I have. Right now, I still play ring, but it's like 90%/10% Tournaments/Ring.
Well I cant fault that kind of thinking.. if you feel that you are a better tournament player then maybe you are. I wouldn't be too quick to quit on ring games as its only 10NL.. I'm sure you haven't hit your ceiling yet. But if tournaments seem to be your thing then you should definitely be spending the bulk of your time on them.
Personally I feel I'm the opposite, I don't enjoy tournaments as much as cash games so I understand where you are coming from. If tournaments aren't my thing then cash games might not be yours.
Best of luck in the future mate
Personally I feel I'm the opposite, I don't enjoy tournaments as much as cash games so I understand where you are coming from. If tournaments aren't my thing then cash games might not be yours.
Best of luck in the future mate
Stop feeling bad about situations you can't control. Focus on what you can control, get good at controlling it, and the money will come.
I often get coolered, lose 2 outers during a session. But I play well otherwise, and I usually come out ahead for the session anyways.
In my most recent session, got all in on the flop vs. an overpair with a set, and he rivered a bigger set for 150bb's. Then I lose AA vs. KK AIPF, he turns a king. I still made $50 playing $100NL.
Usually big hands don't influence how much you make in the long term. You're going to cooler people a certain amount, and they're going to cooler you just about as often. Finding that extra value bet with middle pair, picking a few flops not to c-bet, and making solid & disciplined folds are what's going to add the most to your edge.
I often get coolered, lose 2 outers during a session. But I play well otherwise, and I usually come out ahead for the session anyways.
In my most recent session, got all in on the flop vs. an overpair with a set, and he rivered a bigger set for 150bb's. Then I lose AA vs. KK AIPF, he turns a king. I still made $50 playing $100NL.
Usually big hands don't influence how much you make in the long term. You're going to cooler people a certain amount, and they're going to cooler you just about as often. Finding that extra value bet with middle pair, picking a few flops not to c-bet, and making solid & disciplined folds are what's going to add the most to your edge.
dg1267 said:
LOL shall we shoot you now???
Just a thought but have you tried other forms of poker? Omaha, stud etc.
Personally I haven't. My reason for learning hold-em is simpley its the most popular and thus there is a wealth of literature written on the subject. My feeling is that many hold-em lessons will easily transfer to other games.
Maybe it would be an idea to try a new game and see how you get on with that.
I'm really not feeling bad about it. I would just rather minimize my losses by playing tourneys until I have a stable enough b/r to handle downswings.
Like I said, I already know about the luck involved and what I should be doing. I also know that I could be a profitable player in the higher stakes (25NL). But my b/r can't handle those levels so I stay out of them (for the most part).
Like I said, I already know about the luck involved and what I should be doing. I also know that I could be a profitable player in the higher stakes (25NL). But my b/r can't handle those levels so I stay out of them (for the most part).