Playing AA in a multiway pot out of position. What post-flop options should I consider?

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AA in the post-flop is heavily punished. I'll go all-in pre-flop right away.
 
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I would consider SPR too. Often players will pay over the odds to draw meaning that if you bet for protection say 2/3s of pot to pot , they will stay in regardless , and this can work if there are implied odds. If they can't make their money back via implied odds, and ICM isn't an issue, you can feel better about making them pay to stay in.
 
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Strategy #3

Control the pot

Out of position, you don't want to play a huge pot without the nuts. Opt for pot control when there's heavy action.
 
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pltelles said:
AA no pós-flop é severamente punido. Vou all-in pré-flop imediatamente.
But that way you stop extracting a long term.
 
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Oxinthewater said:
Eu também consideraria o SPR. Muitas vezes, os jogadores pagam mais do que o necessário para empatar, o que significa que, se você apostar por proteção, digamos, 2/3 do pote, eles permanecerão na partida independentemente do resultado, e isso pode funcionar se houver odds implícitas. Se eles não conseguirem recuperar o dinheiro investido por meio das odds implícitas e o ICM não for um problema, você pode se sentir mais seguro em fazê-los pagar para permanecer na partida.
Your proposal is interesting. Would that apply to micro-limit tournaments?
 
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Strategy #4

4. Be careful with check-raises

Against multiple opponents, a check-raise usually indicates real strength. AA loses value quickly against sets, two pairs, or strong draws.
 
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Strategy #5

Avoid slowplaying in multiway pots

Unlike heads-up play, slowplaying is dangerous here. Bet for value early on—there are more hands that can improve against you.
 
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I agree with the smaller c-bet sizing. One thing I'd add is that AA loses value quickly in multiway pots, especially on coordinated boards.

If the flop comes dry (e.g., A72, K83 rainbow), a small c-bet can get value from worse pairs and overcards. But on wet boards like JT9 or 987 with flush draws, I'd be much more cautious and pay close attention to the number of callers and the action.

Another adjustment is being willing to check some flops. Many players feel obligated to bet AA every time, but checking can keep the pot manageable and induce bluffs from weaker hands.

In multiway pots, AA is still a premium hand, but it's often just one pair. The key is avoiding the trap of treating it like the nuts when multiple opponents are showing interest.
 
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Nameless14 said:
Concordo com o tamanho menor da c-bet. Uma coisa que eu acrescentaria é que AA perde valor rapidamente em potes com vários jogadores, especialmente em boards coordenados.

Se o flop não trouxer nenhuma carta (por exemplo, A72, K83 sem flush), uma pequena aposta de continuação pode gerar valor com pares piores e cartas maiores. Mas em mesas com muitas cartas, como JT9 ou 987 com projetos de flush, eu seria muito mais cauteloso e prestaria muita atenção ao número de jogadores que pagaram e à ação no jogo.

Outra adaptação importante é estar disposto a dar check em alguns flops. Muitos jogadores se sentem obrigados a apostar com AA sempre, mas dar check pode manter o pote sob controle e induzir blefes de mãos mais fracas.

Em potes com vários jogadores, AA ainda é uma mão premium, mas geralmente se trata apenas de um par. A chave é evitar a armadilha de tratá-la como a melhor mão possível quando vários oponentes demonstram interesse.
You're right. At very connected tables with multiple players, AA loses its strength. It will depend a lot on how the table unfolds after the flop. Checking is a good option.
 
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Nameless14 said:
Concordo com o tamanho menor da c-bet. Uma coisa que eu acrescentaria é que AA perde valor rapidamente em potes com vários jogadores, especialmente em boards coordenados.

Se o flop não trouxer nenhuma carta (por exemplo, A72, K83 sem flush), uma pequena aposta de continuação pode gerar valor com pares piores e cartas maiores. Mas em mesas com muitas cartas, como JT9 ou 987 com projetos de flush, eu seria muito mais cauteloso e prestaria muita atenção ao número de jogadores que pagaram e à ação no jogo.

Outra adaptação importante é estar disposto a dar check em alguns flops. Muitos jogadores se sentem obrigados a apostar com AA sempre, mas dar check pode manter o pote sob controle e induzir blefes de mãos mais fracas.

Em potes com vários jogadores, AA ainda é uma mão premium, mas geralmente se trata apenas de um par. A chave é evitar a armadilha de tratá-la como a melhor mão possível quando vários oponentes demonstram interesse.
I will take your comment into consideration and will include it in my next tip. Thank you.
 
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Strategy # 6

, Use check-call on dangerous boards

On flops with many projects, checking in may be better than betting:

This keeps the toilet under control.
This prevents you from facing a large increase.
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Strategy #7

Keep an eye on who still has a hand

The more players there are:

The greater the chance that someone has hit a strong hand
The lower the relative value of AA

AA goes from “premium” to “vulnerable hand.”
 
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The biggest adjustment is accepting that AA loses a lot of value in multiway pots, especially when you're out of position. I usually lean toward betting for value and protection on most dry and semi-wet flops, but I'm much more cautious once I start getting multiple callers or facing a lot of aggression. You don't have to stack off just because you started with aces. Pay close attention to the board texture and how the action develops. On coordinated boards, one pair can become just a bluff-catcher by the turn or river, so don't be afraid to slow down if the ranges that continue are heavily weighted toward stronger hands.
 
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piic said:
The biggest adjustment is accepting that AA loses a lot of value in multiway pots, especially when you're out of position. I usually lean toward betting for value and protection on most dry and semi-wet flops, but I'm much more cautious once I start getting multiple callers or facing a lot of aggression. You don't have to stack off just because you started with aces. Pay close attention to the board texture and how the action develops. On coordinated boards, one pair can become just a bluff-catcher by the turn or river, so don't be afraid to slow down if the ranges that continue are heavily weighted toward stronger hands.
Exactly. AA isn't unbeatable, and that can be a problem post-flop if you don't keep that in mind.
 
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Strategy #8

Reassess aggressively on the turn

If there is:

A strong bet + call
or
A raise on the turn

→ Start considering folding, depending on the opponents' profiles.
 
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AA multiway is definitely not a good one.
 
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Basically remember multiway is a coin toss, your a value will dramatically decrease. You will need to have a big stack to cover any possible loss of the hand.
 
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odonob said:
Basically remember multiway is a coin toss, your a value will dramatically decrease. You will need to have a big stack to cover any possible loss of the hand.
We should assume that our opponents won't know it's AA if the bet is only called.
 
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Strategy #9

Blockers Matter
Having AA:
Blocks top pair (A-high boards)
DOES NOT block low connectors or sets
This changes how you read your opponents' ranges.
 
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How can I avoid losing my whole stack with AA when I am short, e.g. less than 10 BB pre-flop? Sometimes I shoved all in, got called by JTs, and it cracked my AA. Should I slow play it to see the flop?

No. Rip it in. If you lose, you lose but there is nothing you can do. 72o all-in pre flop vs AA wins 14% of the time. It is not abnormal to lose this. However, with 10bb you will need to gamble at some point. AA all-in pre-flop heads-up wins roughly 80% of the time. You're not going to get a better gamble.

In the rare case that you are sure that if you limp, Villain will jam you in, like an over aggressive big stack bully who is doing this to small stacks with very high frequency, then I suppose you could limp it in as a trap but the other 99% of the time just go all-in. And even in that 1% it would not be a mistake to jam first. If we steal it is disappointing but still totally fine.
 
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LenaLena said:

AA in a multiway pot .I lose all the time:(


We must ask the question: why are we in multiway?

Make sure that you open AA like any other hand in your pre-flop range. Never ever limp this unless it's a final table short-stack trap. Now, opening strong pre is certainly no guarantee that we will get isolation or even thin the herd but if we open AA properly we shouldn't be multi too often unless maybe it's a freeroll.

Post-flop we are basically always c-betting for value except on the grossest ugliest boards. Other than that, the only time that I might check this is if I actually flopped a set because it blocks most made value (there is only 1 A left to hit top pair) but if the board is wet, no free draws so bet. Also, even in say a 4-way SOMEONE will probably be dumb enough to call you without an A for top pair, so it's probably never a mistake to bet.
 
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In multiway pots, smaller c-bets make a lot of sense because you’re more likely to face a strong hand. Betting around 30–50% keeps the pot manageable while still putting pressure on weaker hands. I think board texture and position are also important when deciding the bet size.
 
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It's impossible to answer this without knowing pre-flop action, tournament or cash game, texture of board, stack sizes, etc., etc.. There is no "one true way" to play this situation....
 
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