Pre Flop odds for Suited Connectors (HELP PLEASE)

HeroHunter · Jul 6, 2009

Can anybody tell me where I might find the preflop odds of suited connectors improving to a flush, straight, or better by the river? Thanks

Infamous1020 · Jul 6, 2009

id try google or something lol.

but i <3 suited connectors

BelgoSuisse · Jul 6, 2009

Question is irrelevant, imo.

As a deep stack, what matters is the odds of flopping something you can keep on playing on later streets.

As a short stack where preflop odds to the river are relevant, you should not be playing suited connectors anyway.

buckster436 · Jul 6, 2009

what Belgo said above, and i know if you have, say, A K sooted or not, the odds improve just a little if there sooted, but by not much, buck

Syfted · Jul 6, 2009

>Linky<

fwiw, most people are going to yell at you for playing your cards because they're suited. It is true that suited cards only add about 2% equity pre, but they are much more playable postflop. The final decision is with you about where and when to play them.

woody19 · Jul 6, 2009

excepts for ak any other suited connectors are usaly dangerous well in my mind they are got me into couple horrible situations

dont reli no the odds i play with feel not odds

BelgoSuisse · Jul 6, 2009

woody19 said:
dont reli no the odds i play with feel not odds

you don't like money?

Crummy · Jul 6, 2009

Your odds of hitting a flush on the flop with two suited connectors are 118-1. Your odds of your suited cards holding against any other two cards heads up and all in depend on the two cards and your opponents two cards.

HeroHunter · Jul 6, 2009

Seriously, do any of you know where I might find the odds of say JTs improving to a straight, flush, or better by the river?

BelgoSuisse · Jul 6, 2009

HeroHunter said:
Seriously, do any of you know where I might find the odds of say JTs improving to a straight, flush, or better by the river?

Very seriously: who cares? you should not.

Very seriously: since you shortstack, you should not be playing them

Very seriously: especially when you play like this

https://www.pokertableratings.com/replayer/index.php?site=fulltilt&id=13199333921&hash=1834537375

turning a flush and managing not to get villain's entire stack when he flops a set while playing 17bb deep is probably the worst played hand i've seen this year.

Crummy · Jul 6, 2009

4 hearts on the river..... only 10 high in hand.... probably was afraid of the A of hearts....

Dorkus Malorkus · Jul 6, 2009

BelgoSuisse said:
Very seriously: especially when you play like this

https://www.pokertableratings.com/replayer/index.php?site=fulltilt&id=13199333921&hash=1834537375

oh my.

OP, some friendly advice, stop worrying about the odds of your suited stuff making flushes and start learning poker from the very basics onwards.

Tom1559 · Jul 6, 2009

Your odds of flopping a flush with suited connectors are around 119-1. Hitting a flush draw (i.e. 2 of the same suited cards) on the flop are around 10-1. If you hit the flush draw your odds of hitting on either the River or Turn are around 2.9-1. I hope this helps.

headtrip13 · Jul 6, 2009

rule of 4 and 2

Use the rule of 4 and 2 to give you an approximate idea of your odds of hitting a hand by the turn and river. So if you hit a flush draw on the flop you have a maximum of 9 outs to make your hand, multiply 9 by 4 and you have 36% chance of making your hand by the river, now if you miss on the turn multiply your outs by 2, 18% to hit hand by the river, this will let you know approximately what your odds are in both situations.

JaBone30 · Jul 6, 2009

The oods are already posted and I agree with others n this matter. Igt depends on the stack ur holdin wether u should even be in the hand in the first place. And if ur lookin for more oods with different hands google or any other search engine for that matter should lead u to what ur lookin for.

headtrip13 · Jul 6, 2009

preflop play

odds of flopping a flush draw preflop 8.1/1, Flopping a set or better (with a pocket pair) - 7.5/1 (11.8%) so you can see why you need an unraised pot with many callers in late position is the only way to play suited connectors and small pockets.

undone · Jul 6, 2009

i like cardplayers calculator for holdem and omaha... check that out... but suited connectors are the best for limping in or when you put two of the opponents on high connectors! any low flop you can take pretty easily!

try_me_shove777 · Oct 17, 2019

it's sad how off topic everyone in this thread was when the poor guy just wanted to know his odds...

here is a link to some odds anyone reading through this thread might be interested in.
https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-and-outs

neptun1914 · Oct 29, 2019

As already mentioned the rule of 2 and 4 is ok to calculate odds when you see the flpo. If you want to see odds preflop you can try using free equity calculator like this for example:

https://www.pokerstrategy.com/poker-software-tools/equilab-holdem/

DjAngler · Feb 11, 2020

It's incredible how ignorant these posts are, and clear that most people don't understand basic probability. The pre-flop chance of hitting a flush is the sole reason you are supposed to shove many suited cards but fold their unsuited counterparts. This is because the opponent's calling range is quite strong and suited cards have the additional equity from being able to hit a flush. You have to quantify this equity to be able to make the right decision preflop.

Suppose we have 2 clubs. You need at least 3 clubs out of the 5 community cards, and there are 11 clubs remaining. We can break this out into 3 scenarios:

Chance of 3 clubs: (11/50)*(10/49)*(9/48)*(39/47)*(38/46)*10
Chance of 4 clubs: (11/50)*(10/49)*(9/48)*(8/47)*(39/46)*5
Chance of 5 clubs: (11/50)*(10/49)*(9/48)*(8/47)*(7/46)

Add these up and you get ~6.4%. It's possible I made some mistakes, if anyone wants to check the math.

Artbart805 · Feb 11, 2020

Get a library card, you can access books online, Phil Gordon’s little green book...

Covers it all... and is an awesome starter...

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