The use of software in online poker. Can you beat a machine sitting next to you at the table?

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Hi guys.

I want to share a thought that occurred to me after Adelson's post yesterday—a post about nicknames, though I commented on the software involved. To be honest, I’ve never really delved deep into that side of things, mainly because of how I view poker: simply as a hobby.

I have no ambition—and likely never will—to make a living from the sport. However, if I *did* have such an ambition, I would have certainly looked into it further and even acquired those kinds of tools; used correctly, I believe they are fundamental for anyone dreaming of making a career out of it.

In criminal law, we always advocate for respect for one of its basic principles: the *equality of arms*.

In short, while the State—acting as the accuser—has the entire public apparatus at its disposal (ranging from agents and infinite financial resources to all manner of technology like wiretaps, intercepts, and various tactics often used illegally or with ulterior motives), the citizen relies solely on their defense attorney, armed with nothing but a pen, knowledge, and a great deal of courage. It’s a tough battle, to say the least! Haha.

One thing that always makes me skeptical about online poker is the use of those famous HUDs and statistical software. From the little I understand, some of these programs record and organize data from hands played, displaying information about opponents during the match—such as raise frequency, aggression levels, and other behavioral patterns.

I know many people consider this just another support tool, but I sometimes wonder where the line is drawn between a player's actual skill and the advantage gained from the information the software provides.

In live poker, we have to observe, interpret, and remember our opponents' behavior. Online, however, some players seem to have a veritable database at their fingertips.

I’m not saying it’s cheating—after all, every platform has its own rules regarding these tools—but I do think it’s worth discussing the impact this has on the game. Are tools like these part of the natural evolution of online poker, or do they end up creating a massive advantage for those who use them? 🫡🤔
 
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Just because someone is using a tracker with a HUD, does not mean, they are a "machine". You are still playing against a human with emotions and flaws in their game. And if you dont like, that someone is using this tool, then there are plenty of sites, that dont allow it, so just play there. Increasingly many sites have their own build in HUDs though, so then I guess, you will just need to learn how to use this information yourself rather than complaining about others having it ;)
 
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I'm also a rec/hobby player. Been playing 21+ years now. I've played on sites that allow HUD's used them and won. I've played on sites that don't allow HUD's and won. I played on sites that allowed HUD's and never used one on them and won....They don't matter at micro/low stakes.

What a HUD does do is help one greatly with studying and and doing hand reviews. Get a HUD is my advice no easier way to study and improve.

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I think HUDs are both a tool and an advantage. They don't make decisions for you, but they do provide information that would be difficult to track manually, especially when playing multiple tables.

To me, the key question is whether everyone has access to the same tools. If a site allows HUDs, then they become part of the skill set of online poker, much like studying ranges or reviewing hand histories.

That said, I understand your concern. A recreational player logging in for fun is at a clear disadvantage against someone using databases, trackers, and years of collected statistics. That's one reason why some sites have restricted or banned certain software.

In the end, I see HUDs as part of the evolution of online poker, but I also think poker rooms need to strike a balance between rewarding serious study and keeping the games enjoyable for casual players.
 
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JhonnyThe357 said:
Hi guys.

I want to share a thought that occurred to me after Adelson's post yesterday—a post about nicknames, though I commented on the software involved. To be honest, I’ve never really delved deep into that side of things, mainly because of how I view poker: simply as a hobby.

I have no ambition—and likely never will—to make a living from the sport. However, if I *did* have such an ambition, I would have certainly looked into it further and even acquired those kinds of tools; used correctly, I believe they are fundamental for anyone dreaming of making a career out of it.

In criminal law, we always advocate for respect for one of its basic principles: the *equality of arms*.

In short, while the State—acting as the accuser—has the entire public apparatus at its disposal (ranging from agents and infinite financial resources to all manner of technology like wiretaps, intercepts, and various tactics often used illegally or with ulterior motives), the citizen relies solely on their defense attorney, armed with nothing but a pen, knowledge, and a great deal of courage. It’s a tough battle, to say the least! Haha.

One thing that always makes me skeptical about online poker is the use of those famous HUDs and statistical software. From the little I understand, some of these programs record and organize data from hands played, displaying information about opponents during the match—such as raise frequency, aggression levels, and other behavioral patterns.

I know many people consider this just another support tool, but I sometimes wonder where the line is drawn between a player's actual skill and the advantage gained from the information the software provides.

In live poker, we have to observe, interpret, and remember our opponents' behavior. Online, however, some players seem to have a veritable database at their fingertips.

I’m not saying it’s cheating—after all, every platform has its own rules regarding these tools—but I do think it’s worth discussing the impact this has on the game. Are tools like these part of the natural evolution of online poker, or do they end up creating a massive advantage for those who use them? 🫡🤔

Two players who I'm familiar with, both are mid stakes online MTT players. Both are quite successful (ie. min. $200k profit for the past 10years). Neither of them uses a HUD these days.

Unless you're playing vs. the opponent for MANY hands, most of the stats. aren't that useful.
Some of the sites have their own built-in HUD that is available to all players on the site.
"Are tools like these part of the natural evolution of online poker,"

Tools like these have been around since long before I began playing online poker (I began in 2007). If anything, I'd suggest they're used much less these days than they were 15years ago. The natural evolution of online poker isn't moving towards increased HUD use. (if anything it's actually 'decreased').

The natural evolution is 'solvers' are being studied by a huge amount of players.
 
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.... I thought this post was going to be about bots... or solvers... but you're talking about HUDS...

anyone can use a HUD, ... it's all freely available information anyone at the table can see for themselves,

people who play a lot of tables like to use them...., it doesn't make any decisions for the player👍
 
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Tools like these have been around since long before I began playing online poker (I began in 2007). If anything, I'd suggest they're used much less these days than they were 15years ago. The natural evolution of online poker isn't moving towards increased HUD use. (if anything it's actually 'decreased'). The natural evolution is 'solvers' are being studied by a huge amount of players.
Exactly this. Trackers have been around almost since the birth of online poker. And if anything they are less important today, than they were years ago, since many good players are working with solvers and trying to approach a GTO style. So this is very much yesterdays discussion and a sign, that OP is not that well informed about, what is actually going on in online poker.
 
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Some people worry about the strangest things. There's plenty of things about online poker to worry about HUD's are so near the bottom of the list I wouldn't even put them on the list.

I don't even use my HUD 99% of the time on Pokerstars even thou it's always running.....need it to be so I can do hand reviews later. I also don't even ever use GG's built in HUD when I play their and have no trouble being a winning player.

Fun fact I find amazing after 21+ years playing on Pokerstars I still run into players I don't have a single hand playing against. You many hands played against players before a HUD is really worth anything while playing. A HUD's biggest value is how easy it makes it to study.....in 21+ year experience and opinion you can't effectively study without one. It's the best $60-$80 you could ever spend on poker. Yet people will spend 100's and 1000's of dollars on books and courses but yet not buy a HUD :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:.

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I don't even use my HUD 99% of the time on Pokerstars even thou it's always running.....need it to be so I can do hand reviews later.
I probably use it a bit more than in just 1% of hands. But of course having HUD-data is mainly important, if people are doing something very unbalanced or out of line. If for instance I get 3-bet by someone with a 3% 3-bet over 2k hands, then I will not give that action, unless I have a really good hand. The point here is, people can protect themselfes from getting exploited by playing better poker and for instance not only 3-bet premium hands.
 
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I probably use it a bit more than in just 1% of hands. But of course having HUD-data is mainly important, if people are doing something very unbalanced or out of line. If for instance I get 3-bet by someone with a 3% 3-bet over 2k hands, then I will not give that action, unless I have a really good hand. The point here is, people can protect themselfes from getting exploited by playing better poker and for instance not only 3-bet premium hands.
I honestly find in the moment while playing my notes and color coding players is more useful then my HUD stats. My custom HUD honestly covers the very min/basic stats. It's basically no different then GG Pokers HUD in what I have showing. But then I only double table so keeping track of 16-18 players is really nothing and a breeze after 21+ years of doing it.

But then I doubt many players play like I do or have my style of play in 2026. I play by TAG+player pool exploits+notes/color code+ feel. I ain't got no time to be looking at a bunch numbers and stats when trying to beat players in the 2nl-50nl full-ring player pool that are still easily beat by playing straight forward no frills and no over thinking it poker. KISS=Keep It Simple Stupid. It still works even in 2026.

When the day comes I gotta long at bunch of numbers, open a solver and play GTO to beat 2nl-50nl.....that'll be the day poker isn't for me anymore. That day isn't close yet.

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HUD is a must nowadays
 
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