I Look in the mirror..lol..not good to talk bad bout others..i think its more important to not worry about any1 else. Its the new player callin everything. We always fishin for cards like limpin in or callin bets to catch a flush draw or jus callin bets and caught what wr after whether wit low cards or crappy hands. I tell every1 im new player but 20+ years experience. Good luck.
My top ten fish ecology and morphology characteristics
These are the things I use:
1. VPIP - Voluntarily puts in pot - A high VPIP is typical of fish. They do not really understand the odds which accompany opening hand strength. As a result, they play too many hands and fail to fold the dross wen they should.
2. Positionally unaware - lots of things can flag this to you. Examining bet sizing between UTG and Button for a given player can give a good indication. Limping from early position is also often a give-away.
3. Bet sizing - Fish often give the wrong odds when keeping a player in or forcing a player out. They don't seem to relate their bet size with the actual size of the pot and the action to follow.
4. Passivity - Fish often play passively, limping & calling rather than raising and re-raising.
5. Deep/Mid/Late timing - Blinds are worth more as the game progresses. stealing blinds, therefore, become more important as the game progresses. Fish seem unaware of the difference between the strategies for early, mid and late game.
6. Ignorant of action (and how position affects this) - fish look at their cards, and they look at the board. They often raise with top pair & call with everything else.
7. Folds to continuation bet - Fish often like to call down a pre-flop raise so they can see a flop and re-evaluate. Many fish who call and miss are easily put off by CBet.
8. Hand value - this relates back to VPIP somewhat, but what I'm after here is fish often give the wrong value to a hand, especially in a multiway pot. For instance, top pair top kicker is decent heads up, but in a pot with 4 others, top pair, may be good, but you probably shouldn't bet the farm on it (at least not early to mid-game).
9. Adjusting bet size to hand rather than position and range against opponents' range. Lots of fish will bet bigger with a strong opening hand and small with a weaker hand. Whilst this might seem sensible, it basically gives away your hand strength to your opponent. Instead, you should be deciding on what range you are going to play in your game, with adjustments based on your info on your opponents.
10. Too straight-forward. Fish often check when they miss and bet when they hit. This can make them predictable and easy to avoid. (note: Nits often do the same thing, making them targets for exploitation.
There are more...but heck, I decided this would be a top ten....so...we'll leave it here.
Cheers,
ObbleeXY
GreGo said:
These are the things I use:
1. VPIP - Voluntarily puts in pot - A high VPIP is typical of fish. They do not really understand the odds which accompany opening hand strength. As a result, they play too many hands and fail to fold the dross wen they should.
2. Positionally unaware - lots of things can flag this to you. Examining bet sizing between UTG and Button for a given player can give a good indication. Limping from early position is also often a give-away.
3. Bet sizing - Fish often give the wrong odds when keeping a player in or forcing a player out. They don't seem to relate their bet size with the actual size of the pot and the action to follow.
4. Passivity - Fish often play passively, limping & calling rather than raising and re-raising.
5. Deep/Mid/Late timing - Blinds are worth more as the game progresses. stealing blinds, therefore, become more important as the game progresses. Fish seem unaware of the difference between the strategies for early, mid and late game.
6. Ignorant of action (and how position affects this) - fish look at their cards, and they look at the board. They often raise with top pair & call with everything else.
7. Folds to continuation bet - Fish often like to call down a pre-flop raise so they can see a flop and re-evaluate. Many fish who call and miss are easily put off by CBet.
8. Hand value - this relates back to VPIP somewhat, but what I'm after here is fish often give the wrong value to a hand, especially in a multiway pot. For instance, top pair top kicker is decent heads up, but in a pot with 4 others, top pair, may be good, but you probably shouldn't bet the farm on it (at least not early to mid-game).
9. Adjusting bet size to hand rather than position and range against opponents' range. Lots of fish will bet bigger with a strong opening hand and small with a weaker hand. Whilst this might seem sensible, it basically gives away your hand strength to your opponent. Instead, you should be deciding on what range you are going to play in your game, with adjustments based on your info on your opponents.
10. Too straight-forward. Fish often check when they miss and bet when they hit. This can make them predictable and easy to avoid. (note: Nits often do the same thing, making them targets for exploitation.
There are more...but heck, I decided this would be a top ten....so...we'll leave it here.
Cheers,
ObbleeXY
Although in most comments tight players are listed as fish players, I find them more among maniacs who are not good enough to capitalize on their aggressive style of play, but when they win a hand they must either show hole cards or the "thank you" type in the chat.
A player that cannot fold when they are obviously beaten or well behind. No self control and must play every hand until they bust out . Baffles when I see a player continue to shove or call off with bad hands. Even when they get lucky they often have no ability to slow down and the inevitable punt off always happens. It amazes that these players can play thousands of hands unsuccessfully yet they do not learn from the losses or mistakes they make.
...When I see scales or I see a "flash" in the water.....
...When I see scales or I see a "flash" in the water.....
That is when I recognize a fish.
Tell Tammy I'd like to date her!
Thank you for listening
Gooooo CNC! :icon_sant
😛
...When I see scales or I see a "flash" in the water.....
That is when I recognize a fish.
Tell Tammy I'd like to date her!
Thank you for listening
Gooooo CNC! :icon_sant
😛
GreGo said:
Well, they usually open the pot by limping in. And of course they do it with trash hands.
They don't care about positions. They do the same ,,strategy" and they have the same range when they are UTG and when they're SB.
They usually raise one or two blinds. Most of them raises 1BB on every street without having anything in their hands.
They go all-in with very strong hands. I mean they don't try to get paid for having a good hand. They just raise huge and everyone folds.
They usually overestimate K and Q high hands such as bottom pairs on the flop.
They love to call half pot raises with a gutshot. Such as flushdraws.
With HUD-Stats (Heads Up Display). Using the VPIP (how often a player enters the pot) and the PFR (how often he raises preflop) you can categorize a player. The calling station is very loose and plays his hands passively. That means the calling station will often limp preflop and rarely raise. You should never bluff against this opponent, and you should never make semi-bluffs. Your opponent folds too seldom. If you have a good hand then bet. The calling station finds a reason to call with even worse hands. When the calling station raises it usually has a monster. The calling station often has values of 90/10. The maniac has default values of 90/80. That means he also plays a lot of hands but these are also overly aggressive. You should play tight against maniacs and not bluff. You should be consistent: Call until the showdown or fold straight away.