What’s your approach to multiway pots?

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> I find it harder to win multiway pots, especially without a strong hand. Do you prefer heads-up situations, or are you comfortable with several players in the hand?
 
Multi-way is by far harder to navigate. You’re going to be mostly checking especially if out of position. It’s super hard to bluff multiple players because someone always has something. It’s best to try to get heads up pre flop so when you don’t have anything you can still run a bluff. Good luck!
 
I am not uncomfortable with multiway pots, but its just simple math, that you are going to win them less often. If 4 players see a flop, each can only win 25% of the time, and this number does not change dramatically, just because you were the preflop raiser. So for many the biggest adjustment is a mental one, because they need to give up on the idea, that just because they raised preflop, they have some kind of right to win the hand.

If you raised UTG, got 2 callers with position on you, and then BB called as well, then the value of you being the preflop raiser is pretty much nothing, and actually the player in position is the one, who have the best chance of winning the hand. So you just need to play the hand in a very straight forward way, where you only put chips into the pot, if you have a good made hand or a good draw, and otherwise you simply get out of the way.

You also need to adjust your idea about relative hand strength, because more players can have a very strong hand. If you are against a single opponent and have :ks4::kc4: on :9s4::9d4::2c4::jh4: you are very likely to have the best hand, but if 3 opponents saw the flop, its much more likely, someone might have a hand like :2s4::2h4: or :9c4::10c4: and be ahead. So in the latter situation you need to play a bit more of a pot control game and perhaps even be willing to fold your cowboys, if for instance the other players start raising each other.
 
Multiway pots are harder to play for many reasons, but primarily because statistics are not in your favour. That's why, whenever possible, you should try to isolate and 3-bet with your premium hands. If you are first to raise and you get a few callers you can't really do much about it, just be careful post flop. Why? Let's say you have a premium hand like AKs. If your opponent didn't 3-bet you, they *probably* have a pair lower than KK, or a non-pair hand lower than AK. Statistically you win 50-70% of the time, most likely you are ahead 60% of the time. In a 4 way pot? Even if none of the callers have a pair, you're down to sth like 35-45% chances to win at showdown. And that doesn't even take into account all the ways you can get out-played by 3 players vs one.
 
I try to avoid multiway pots, they make my game harder and I have to make difficult decisions, I just don't know where I stand in a game, if I have the chance I raise preflop or fold,
 
Geo90 said:
they make my game harder and I have to make difficult decisions
That's why I love them.

 
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pentazepam said:
Ezért szeretem őket.

Thanks for this article, I will study
 
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Basically, it is easier to play heads-up, use any kind of tactic, etc. There are some hands working well in multiway pots - these are pocket pairs and suited Ases. It is just kind of general assumption tho, you always need to consider the specific situation.
 
pentazepam said:
That's why I love them.

This article is beyond my abilities, I have not dealt with this level of elevations with range before, but it was useful in both ways, I have not read GTO articles before, but this must change
 
soy.KIRA said:
> I find it harder to win multiway pots, especially without a strong hand. Do you prefer heads-up situations, or are you comfortable with several players in the hand?
Personally, depends on who am I playing against. In general I prefer to enter the multiway pots with the hands that are capable of making the absolute nuts (aka pocket pairs or suited aces, sometimes suited connectors but in their case mostly rely on their straight possibilities and be more cautious with the flushes), because when you are in a multi-way pot, the chances are that someone will definitely have a good hand. If it is your average passive limped pot it is generally enough to go for pure value when you catch something, usually these people are quite reluctant to fold. Overfolding is a normal thing if the people before you call the bets (MDF is extremely low multiways when that occurs, which by itself encourages you to only go for the top nuts in these scenarios). If you are against tight opponents and not a group of people who call/limp with all sorts of garbage - be extremely cautious and generally avoid getting multiway against them.
 
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