Over time, you become convinced that any card has the ability to lose. This is influenced by many factors that you are well aware of. That makes poker great; no card has an absolute win. Any beginner has a chance to beat the pro.
caracaski220
Sure I have folded aces. When the flop is all one suit and against an all in , more so on the turn or rivere with 4 cards to a suit or an obvious straight. Also if someone call a big raise preflop and there is I high pair on board, I might fold to an all in bet, as there is an exellent chance he tripled up.
Sure I have folded aces. When the flop is all one suit and against an all in , more so on the turn or rivere with 4 cards to a suit or an obvious straight. Also if someone call a big raise preflop and there is I high pair on board, I might fold to an all in bet, as there is an exellent chance he tripled up.
Hate It Every Time It Happens, But It Does...
I know I have folded AA many times... typically after I tip-toed into the pot in early position (hoping to get a big-raise and an opportunity to re-raise, that did not happen) and received a threatening flop (all suited, pair on board, very possible straight, etc) followed by huge raise and my chipstack is good enough that it is not worth risking it.
Overall, I am satisfied with my AA win %. According to my Intertops stats I have won 143 of 164 times I have had AA, so 87% winners, and I cannot complain about that, but I dug a little deeper into the stats by round and I was SHOCKED to see that I had lost 4 of 41 times I had AA, PRE-FLOP!
After my jaw hit the keyboard, and I thought about it for a bit, I realized it was likely due to the scenario where I am in a Double-Up Sit and Go, I have a comfortable chipstack (close 1st or 2nd) with vulnerable small stack(s) left and the other big stack launches vs them... no need for me to risk it and possibly get taken out or severely crippled by letting him crack my AAs, when a win is so close and highly likely.
Best of Luck At The Tables All,
CheezeWiz
I know I have folded AA many times... typically after I tip-toed into the pot in early position (hoping to get a big-raise and an opportunity to re-raise, that did not happen) and received a threatening flop (all suited, pair on board, very possible straight, etc) followed by huge raise and my chipstack is good enough that it is not worth risking it.
Overall, I am satisfied with my AA win %. According to my Intertops stats I have won 143 of 164 times I have had AA, so 87% winners, and I cannot complain about that, but I dug a little deeper into the stats by round and I was SHOCKED to see that I had lost 4 of 41 times I had AA, PRE-FLOP!
After my jaw hit the keyboard, and I thought about it for a bit, I realized it was likely due to the scenario where I am in a Double-Up Sit and Go, I have a comfortable chipstack (close 1st or 2nd) with vulnerable small stack(s) left and the other big stack launches vs them... no need for me to risk it and possibly get taken out or severely crippled by letting him crack my AAs, when a win is so close and highly likely.
Best of Luck At The Tables All,
CheezeWiz
Yes, I folded them many times, most often after an unfavorable flop for me, but I also folded them pre-flop if I got them in the bubble period on satellites where all winners get the same ticket, so even the slightest risk is unnecessary.
roberto51 said:
This is where what you are trying to get out of poker is really important.
If the situation you describe is a satellite in which everyone makes the money makes the same amount (IE qualify for a ticket to a bigger tournament), then yes, folding in this situation is absolutely the correct play.
However, folding AA pre-flop against 99 means that you are throwing away 80+% equity before you've even seen a flop. Of course, sometimes you will get outdrawn and go bust, but if you're folding in this situation you're giving yourself little chance of going really deep in a tournament.
Of course there are other situations where folding might make sense. Say you're on the bubble of the tournament and you only have 3 big blinds left and once the bubble bursts another 100 people have to bust before you make the next pay jump, then sure; limp into the cash by all means, because the chances of laddering up again are very small and you might as well take the min cash. Also, as you go very deep (you're on the final table) and out lasting one opponent can mean a significant jump in prize money, then it can be a good idea to not tangle with a big stack. Say you're on the final table and 9th place pays $50, while 8th pays $65. You have 15BB, another player has 3BB's and everyone else has 40+BB's. Do you really want to tangle with a big stack, when the small stack is almost guaranteed to bust in the next order and you'll get a 30% pay jump? This is called ICM and I am by no means an expert, but it is definitely something worth considering.
Never fold AA, as the saying goes It is difficult to imagine such a situation. I don’t remember throwing AA, but I can imagine getting into a situation like that. If I really need the paying position and risk losing it, I throw it smoothly!
I guess you mean preflop, and yes I have folded AA preflop. But only in satellite tournaments, when I was sure, that folding every hand from now on would result in me winning a ticket. In your situation you made a bad decision but got lucky, it turned out to be profitable. This is no different from calling an all-in with 32o and flopping a straight or full house. The fact, the board ran out a particular way, does not make the decision good.
Agree. You can never fold AA pre flop. EXCEPT: As mentioned above, your at the last few tables and the SMALL goes all in preflop and the MAJOR calls/or raises/goes all in preflop. At that point....do NOT take the risk and blow a ICM (Independent Chip Model) entire poker final games/hands. Skip that....fold the AA and watch what happens to the SMALL vs MAJOR. Thank you for your time.... : )