My casino disappointment yesterday

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neverbluff0799 said:
You can't control what your opponent will do. (Obviously, the KQ call for 55 BB was atrociously bad.) So let's focus on your part. 🙂

First of all, buying in for only 62 BB is pretty bad IMO, especially in a cash game. I don't think you should buy in for less than 100 BB, especially if you're a winning player like you said and believe you have an edge over the other players.

I also strongly believe that you shouldn't gamble with money you can't afford to lose without putting yourself in a financial burden or feeling bad about it for months.

You said that you were getting stacked for 33%, so around $42, and you were putting $83 of your own money in. Well, if it's going to affect you for that long, you're surely playing over your stakes and should consider moving down to a game where the buy-in isn't going to affect you so much mentally, and where you'll be able to make a full buy-in and play 100 BB+ deep.

And now about the hand itself. 🙂 You made it clear that you couldn't afford even one full buy-in, and I can understand your logic behind raising 5x preflop to avoid having too many callers. But at the same time, you put yourself in a spot where, when you get 3-bet, your 4-bet is almost forced to be an all-in...

You need to ask yourself: if you're playing with half a bullet max, do you really want to put 55 BB in with JJ, or just flat the 3-bet and see a flop? Maybe you want to take advantage of your edge postflop if you think you're the better player.

You also mentioned that you had a pretty tight image and expected them to call or 3-bet very tight. So when someone 2.5x'd your 5 BB open, what range did you put him on? Of course, now we know he was way out of line, but following your logic and your image, his range should be something like QQ+, AQs+, against which you're either crush or flip.

You should definitely work on the mental game and not let a flip crush you like that. 🙂

I once spun a $2.5K package from the 50-cent Power Path on Stars, which was miles above my typical buy-in and way more than I could realistically win. I got it in with KQs, got snap-called by JTs, and he flopped a J... I made my nervous poop cry a little and said I would never play poker again, blabla, I'm done. 😂 But one week later, I was over it.

Just look at your long-term results. If you're a winning player, half a buy-in shouldn't matter. 🙂
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First, thanks for your awesome post! Taking time to write this is really appreciated!

I agree with most of what you are saying here. The part I don't agree on is this one: "Of course, now we know he was way out of line, but following your logic and your image, his range should be something like QQ+, AQs+, against which you're either crush or flip."

I expected him to call widely larger than that. And that's why I did it. I would have acted differently against anyone else raising me.

That said, I took notes of everything else you said. Thanks again!
 
fundiver199 said:
I think, its fine to 4-bet jam JJ here for 55BB effective. Especially when you started with such a large 5BB open, because then its almost like, you were only 25-30BB deep, if we compare to a typical online game. One could say, that the opponents 3-betting range should be tighter facing such a large open, but if it contained KQo (which then also called the 4-bet jam), clearly it was not. Just sucks for you, he had two live overcards and not a hand like 99 or AT, which would almost certainly be played the same way.
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Thanks for your input.

When I read something from you, even though I don't answer much, I find it very interesting and respect you very much!
 
The thing is that you can't control your future if you live in the past... focus on what you can control and the next event is the most important...
 
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If I was playing, you would have gotten my money. When I say 'You got me' I throw my cards face down. They call that a muck. Then when I see the person does not have me beat , I turned my cards face up and the whole table reminds me I mucked. It's like what?
 
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JJ is the worst hand to play ever, folding pre flop is the correct call or treat it like 44 55 66 77 88 99 1010
 
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I get how you feel, sometimes poker is brutal. But, I would have played the hand differently, especially getting reraised preflop. JJ is a tricky hand, we all know that.

I would have called to see the flop, and then go all in on the flop once doesnt have an overcard, that way its better in my opinion. Going all in preflop with JJ is not best move, especially playing at the middle stakes.
 
In poker sometimes ( often ?) things go wrong even if you do everything correctly ! Sadly , you need to get used to it .
 
swaggyzoots said:
JJ is the worst hand to play ever, folding pre flop is the correct call or treat it like 44 55 66 77 88 99 1010
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Go back to 1st grade of poker school !
 
Yanko57 said:
First let me talk about my life situation overall:

Maybe you know Michelle, aka mimietmour, my girlfriend from the last 23 years who's now in a wheelchair since 2021. To fully take care of her (and it's also my choice let's be honest), I don't have a lot of free time outside. The only regular hobby I allow myself outside of the house is a monthly Casino trip on the first tuesday of every month. I choose mainly to play poker, my favorite game there. Michelle is staking me about 33% of my cash game buy-ins because it helps me financially and she knows she will receive dividend from it more often than not.

But not yesterday. I was at the 1/2 table for about 90 minutes, playing my usual tight game, not winning or losing much. I knew mostly what every player was capable of, watching closely the action of every hand. I was at 110$ after starting at 125$. Yes, I know I should buy-in at max, but to play my A game, I can't afford losing 250$ (and I saw a guy buying in for 300$ which is against the Casino buy-in rule wtf?!?).

This hand happened:

I was MP when I was dealt JJ. Since there were a lot of limpers in previous hands, I open-raised at 10$ to discourage most of them. Everyone folded (I was expecting it with me being tight) except for the huge (maybe 500$ behind) loose stack who raised at 25$. What would be your move here?

I moved all-in. The guy, explaining out loud his thought process before acting, remembered the few times I was in a hand, raising less preflop ( to 6 or 7$) and decided to call.

Dealer dealt all the cards before we showed our hand. 4 little cards (don't know exactly which, my memory is flinching big time here) and my opponent says out loud: "You got me" before dealer turned a Q.

We show our hands: JJ vs KQ. "Oops... I got you" were his exact words.

I know it was a slight favorite and I shouldn't make a case about it, but it just disgusted me. I know my odds, my skills and everything, but I need other opinions about it. Please, don't let me shake my head all alone and comment my story. Any sort of comments will be welcome, believe me

Next casino: october 6th. I don't know if I will have fully recovered by that time.
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This hand, in my opinion, can be heartbreaking because of two things: either you played like a beast, but had bad cards, which in this case, are not. You did exactly what you wanted to do when you had KK and shoved preflop against KQ (which was a clear decision). The thing that would bother me most was just that you got me in Q on the river → “Oops… I got you”. 😂 That's a hand that will haunt you for months because, mathematically speaking, the poker gods have decided that it wasn't the time to give you a raise.
I can see how frustrating the situation must have been for you as well because if the player only gets a casino visit per month, the value of each session increases substantially compared to playing three times a week. So you waited a whole month before getting those 90 minutes of poker, played like a beast, waited again for a perfect spot to shove with JJ, but eventually, you lost the pot on the river with Q.
I would not have changed one single decision in this hand because a shove with KK against KQ preflop is exactly what one would call a spot where you want a hand. Sometimes, the poker gods decide to hurt you regardless. Hopefully, by the sixth of October, you will look at this hand and laugh out loud instead of crying about the Q. 😂♠️
 
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