In my opinion there is no special difference where this situation will happen - in online poker or when playing live poker. Of course there's an element of unreality to what happens when your aces are moved, but I've seen situations in live poker where a full house of aces and kings is beaten by the Kare kings. That's where all the eyes on the forehead got out and I guess someone thought that all built!
I think what most players don't take into account is the amount of hands they see online on average vs. live play. I hear people saying all the time that they feel like they get sucked out on more online. They aren't realizing that yeah if you are multi-tabling of course you will see more of these types of situations more often due to the higher volume they are putting in. Variance will always play a role but in the long run strong players will come out on top.
Main reason I do NOT trust online poker is because from every account I have ever loaded their HHs into PT4 no matter how many games they've played their net chip won vs chips actually won is never even close. Every account doesn't run -chip EV forever, I'm sorry it just doesn't happen sorry! If anyone thinks your HH would come back with you running CLOSE TO EVEN CHIP EV please send your HH to me and I will keep your history and name to myself I just want to see it! Must be a minimum of 100 games
Shanek said:
I agree. I use to deposit money online to play but now I'm just too scared. I'll built up my bankroll from FR first than if I see that I'm doing good I'll then consider making a deposit to play on the bigger money tournaments 😀
500hpawd said:
Sorry, if you don't mind letting me know what is HHs, PT4 and EV?
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new_player said:
HHs = hand histories - basically collection of hands played which most sites let you see in your hand history or through PT4 or HM2.
PT4 = PokerTracker 4 (some also use HM2 = Hold'Em Manager 2) - software you can run that tracks all your hands played (and if on site with user names, the other players hand histories). Can also come with a HUD (heads up display) that offers near real time stats on your opponents tendencies as expressed by percentages/frequencies.
EV = expected value. Basically do we expect to be positive or negative value long term taking a certain line, play, hand.
new_player said:
HH = Hand History
PT4 = Poker Tracker version 4 - a statistical tracking software
Chip EV = Chip equity/Expected Value - the concept that the play being made is likely to allow the player to win or lose chips. This is a little advanced for beginners, but basically you need to determine your opponents range and style of play, then consider your hand vs his range/style and the possible outcomes of every action (fold, check, raise, all in etc). Then you add all of the percentages and it leaves you with the statistically most justifiable play. Mostly applies to tournament poker.
Hope this helps 😉
quick said:
Thank you very much for sharing that info with me! Great info!🙂
LotharMcDowner said:
You explained it well. Thank you very much for the info! I got a whole lot to learn. I don't even know how I make it to the final tables lol 😀
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I see a lot of good and a lot of bad in online poker. Kudos to poker rooms like Partypoker because they will actually drop money in your account if they find out about bots and collusion. Kind of like stripping someone of a medal after they were caught doping and redistributing it accordingly. They are proactive, but it still doesn't change the fact that once these ones are caught more will pop up.
Then there are some sites where pros have made a lot of effort towards exposing bots but these sites (mostly based in Costa Rica) don't do anything about it.
There are also some sites that close up and you never see your bankroll again. Don't need to mention any names, but this has happened to us on multiple sites.
So i guess my answer would be no i don't trust them, but i trust some more than others.
People ask me things like "dude why do you play if you don't trust them?" for me its easy. Of course i play even though i don't trust them completely. You cant win if you don't take the chance.
Then there are some sites where pros have made a lot of effort towards exposing bots but these sites (mostly based in Costa Rica) don't do anything about it.
There are also some sites that close up and you never see your bankroll again. Don't need to mention any names, but this has happened to us on multiple sites.
So i guess my answer would be no i don't trust them, but i trust some more than others.
People ask me things like "dude why do you play if you don't trust them?" for me its easy. Of course i play even though i don't trust them completely. You cant win if you don't take the chance.
The fact that you don't have face to face interaction and the use of AI poker bots puts online players at a disadvantage. You can tell a lot from a persons eyes and facial expressions. I've found that more beginner players play online because it is less intimidating sitting in front of a computer screen than at a live table, so there are pros and cons to both. Technology is convenient, so personally I play a lot more online poker than live poker.
SurviveOnYou said:
The videos shows real poker.
It happens. Sh......t happens.
AA, KK,QQ does not give 100% chance to win.
You cant 100% trust online poker.
Still there are people who wins on long term.
Online poker should be fun. If it is not... Stop playing.
