I Live Poker
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Thank you my dear! it's really cool! I am enthusiastic! I'll post an example now with 2K hands just so you know how it works. But it will take a long time to have reliable numbers due to the need to have a large volume for this.
But I'm in no hurry, and it will help me bury these ghosts that haunt me.:albertein
I Live Poker
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Here's an example of the first 2K hands
of course this is just a sketch but it shows the comparison model.
If you haven't read the guidelines go back to the bottom of page 1
I'll leave it to make another post when I have about 20 K hands of clearance
ah here it is in the early days I played few hands, few tournaments
Hands month 05/2020:
Total hands played: 2128
*Hands without loss or gain: 1399
*Wind hands without show dawn: 318
* Lost hands without showdawn: 118
*Hands won at show dawn: 125
*Lost hands at show dawn : 168
* Hands that were ahead and equity held: 38
(average favoritism 67.97%)
(25.85% of the total)
41.76% of equity hands held as it should
* Hands that were behind and equity held: 53
(average favoritism 26.33%)
(36.05% of the total)
58.24% of equity hands held as it should
* Hands that were in front and I lost :23
( average favoritism 63.17 % )
(15.65 % of the total)
41.07 % of equity hands that reversed
* Hands that were behind and won: 33
(average favoritism 26.60 % )
(22.45% of total)
58.93% of equity hands that reversed
*Total flips played: 31 (average of favoritism flips 47.30% ideal 50%)
* lost flip coin situations: 18 (58.06%)
*Flip coin situations I won: 13 (41.94%)
of course this is just a sketch but it shows the comparison model.
If you haven't read the guidelines go back to the bottom of page 1
I'll leave it to make another post when I have about 20 K hands of clearance
ah here it is in the early days I played few hands, few tournaments
Hands month 05/2020:
Total hands played: 2128
*Hands without loss or gain: 1399
*Wind hands without show dawn: 318
* Lost hands without showdawn: 118
*Hands won at show dawn: 125
*Lost hands at show dawn : 168
* Hands that were ahead and equity held: 38
(average favoritism 67.97%)
(25.85% of the total)
41.76% of equity hands held as it should
* Hands that were behind and equity held: 53
(average favoritism 26.33%)
(36.05% of the total)
58.24% of equity hands held as it should
* Hands that were in front and I lost :23
( average favoritism 63.17 % )
(15.65 % of the total)
41.07 % of equity hands that reversed
* Hands that were behind and won: 33
(average favoritism 26.60 % )
(22.45% of total)
58.93% of equity hands that reversed
*Total flips played: 31 (average of favoritism flips 47.30% ideal 50%)
* lost flip coin situations: 18 (58.06%)
*Flip coin situations I won: 13 (41.94%)
eberetta1
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quality update :Online poker equity study guidelines.
Hands will be selected by the following criteria:
1* Hands with no losses or gains
2 * Hands won without show dawn
3* Lost hands without showdawn:
4 * Hands won at the show dawn
5* Lost Hands at the show dawn
6* Hands that were ahead and equity held
7* Hands that was behind and equity held
8* Hands that was in front and lost
9 * Hands that was behind and won
10*Total flips played
11* flip coin situations I missed
12*Flip Coin Situations I've Won
13*Tie or split equity hands
*Considering from 56% to 99% as hands I was in front, thus doing after large sampling the average margin of the % I was ahead. Applying the same formula for inverse situations. That is: hands that I was behind with the inverse parameter that I would have 44% or less of chances.
*Flip situations will be considered between 45% to 55% for both parties, also making a final average just to ensure that this item is in the 50/50 margin in a large sample. (Note some hands that are genuine flips show an oscillation in the hud between 56% and 55% of equity or between 44% and 45% but they will be calculated correctly with detail and screenshots proving except cases of flip coin that block like TT vs AKo for example, but in this case the equity exceeds the threshold of even 56%)
*I will take screenshots of all situations in the hud except for items 1;2;3;4;5 because there is not much need. However, the database will always be available for the purpose of authenticity of the study, free from trends or deviations.
* Total hands won in show dawn item 4 include tie hands that appear as wins on the HUD and also split equity hands such as 33/33/33/3-handed or 25/25/25/25/4-handed for example. therefore, there may be a discrepancy in the sum of items 6;7;8;9;10 , not matching the total number of hands involving show dawn , so we will use the total sum or crossing of such items among themselves to determine the comparative parameter.
*The most relevant items for research on equity are items: 6;7;8;9;10;11;12;13. Therefore, items: 1;2;3;4;5 will be for personal use or only for purposes of evidence or later use if necessary comparisons.
*New parameters and criteria may be added according to the need of the study, in order to determine and collect data with greater precision and detail, thus being able to add new criteria during the course of the study.
*Flip coins are easier and can be compared with each other in a large sample, having to be as close to 50/50 or the final calculated average.
*The sum of hands without losses and gains + hands won without show dawn + hands lost without show dawn + hands won at show dawn + hands lost at show dawn is = the total number of hands. (for mathematical authenticity purposes) real proof
*The sum of items 4 and 5 minus items 6;7;8;9;10 is equal to item 13.
*The sum of items 4 and 5 minus Item 13 minus item 10 is equal to the comparison ceiling for items 6;7;8;9 or , the sum of items 6;7;8;9 is equal to the ceiling of comparison of the isolated mesos.
*The sum of items *4 and *5 is the total margin of hands for the show dawn, ie 100%. Where inside are all the situations of items 6;7;8;9;10 serving as a ceiling for proportional comparison of the same.
*The sum of items 6;7 is equal to the total number of hands that equity held. as it should.
*The sum of items 8;9 is equal to the total number of hands that equity was reversed.
*The sum of items 6 and 9 is equal to 100% of the showdans I won (except the flip coins which have to be calculated separately).
*The sum of items 7 and 8 is equal to the show dawns I lost (except the flip coins which have to be calculated separately).
*It is possible to add the number of chips involved in items 8;9, thus being able to describe the amount of chips lost and won in each situation (how much we lose when we are ahead and equity is reversed and how much we gain when we are behind and equity is reversed.
*The street to street equity will also be determined later separately using the same parameters.
Hands will be selected by the following criteria:
1* Hands with no losses or gains
2 * Hands won without show dawn
3* Lost hands without showdawn:
4 * Hands won at the show dawn
5* Lost Hands at the show dawn
6* Hands that were ahead and equity held
7* Hands that was behind and equity held
8* Hands that was in front and lost
9 * Hands that was behind and won
10*Total flips played
11* flip coin situations I missed
12*Flip Coin Situations I've Won
13*Tie or split equity hands
*Considering from 56% to 99% as hands I was in front, thus doing after large sampling the average margin of the % I was ahead. Applying the same formula for inverse situations. That is: hands that I was behind with the inverse parameter that I would have 44% or less of chances.
*Flip situations will be considered between 45% to 55% for both parties, also making a final average just to ensure that this item is in the 50/50 margin in a large sample. (Note some hands that are genuine flips show an oscillation in the hud between 56% and 55% of equity or between 44% and 45% but they will be calculated correctly with detail and screenshots proving except cases of flip coin that block like TT vs AKo for example, but in this case the equity exceeds the threshold of even 56%)
*I will take screenshots of all situations in the hud except for items 1;2;3;4;5 because there is not much need. However, the database will always be available for the purpose of authenticity of the study, free from trends or deviations.
* Total hands won in show dawn item 4 include tie hands that appear as wins on the HUD and also split equity hands such as 33/33/33/3-handed or 25/25/25/25/4-handed for example. therefore, there may be a discrepancy in the sum of items 6;7;8;9;10 , not matching the total number of hands involving show dawn , so we will use the total sum or crossing of such items among themselves to determine the comparative parameter.
*The most relevant items for research on equity are items: 6;7;8;9;10;11;12;13. Therefore, items: 1;2;3;4;5 will be for personal use or only for purposes of evidence or later use if necessary comparisons.
*New parameters and criteria may be added according to the need of the study, in order to determine and collect data with greater precision and detail, thus being able to add new criteria during the course of the study.
*Flip coins are easier and can be compared with each other in a large sample, having to be as close to 50/50 or the final calculated average.
*The sum of hands without losses and gains + hands won without show dawn + hands lost without show dawn + hands won at show dawn + hands lost at show dawn is = the total number of hands. (for mathematical authenticity purposes) real proof
*The sum of items 4 and 5 minus items 6;7;8;9;10 is equal to item 13.
*The sum of items 4 and 5 minus Item 13 minus item 10 is equal to the comparison ceiling for items 6;7;8;9 or , the sum of items 6;7;8;9 is equal to the ceiling of comparison of the isolated mesos.
*The sum of items *4 and *5 is the total margin of hands for the show dawn, ie 100%. Where inside are all the situations of items 6;7;8;9;10 serving as a ceiling for proportional comparison of the same.
*The sum of items 6;7 is equal to the total number of hands that equity held. as it should.
*The sum of items 8;9 is equal to the total number of hands that equity was reversed.
*The sum of items 6 and 9 is equal to 100% of the showdans I won (except the flip coins which have to be calculated separately).
*The sum of items 7 and 8 is equal to the show dawns I lost (except the flip coins which have to be calculated separately).
*It is possible to add the number of chips involved in items 8;9, thus being able to describe the amount of chips lost and won in each situation (how much we lose when we are ahead and equity is reversed and how much we gain when we are behind and equity is reversed.
*The street to street equity will also be determined later separately using the same parameters.
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
Is anyone making money from online poker? Can anyone prove they are making more than the guy sweeping outside a USA McDonalds parking lot in 2022?
I could sort of understand if it is from a regulated site (no idea, never played one because they are not legal in Texas), but how about from an unregulated site?
Just show stats of making money, because I think online poker is a total waste of time personally (for financial gain, the games are still fun though). Prove me wrong.
I could sort of understand if it is from a regulated site (no idea, never played one because they are not legal in Texas), but how about from an unregulated site?
Just show stats of making money, because I think online poker is a total waste of time personally (for financial gain, the games are still fun though). Prove me wrong.
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I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
That's why I'm doing this study to get rid of my ghosts, and also because I'm tired of making a fool of myself with others making fun of me as if I were a fish that I'm only complaining because I'm losing. in fact I win more than I lose but I still notice strange patterns repeatedly. so let's turn to the numbers that don't lie.
What do you think of the model my friend? more comparative items will be added as needed
I Live Poker
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Bronze Level
our guy after i raise about 200k hands i would really need stats and hands from a guy who regularly plays higher limits to compare the equity of those who play micro limits, so i would be even more conclusive in other aspects that i have some positioning...
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
I just want to see someone making money, I don't see it. Anywhere. The games are rigged for computers (the house) to win is all I see.
I can place first in three tournaments in a row, be up whatever 100-200 bucks, but I will loose it later no matter how hard I try. Do I suck at poker, perhaps.
I just want to know WHO out there is making money from playing online poker? Someone has to if it is not "rigged" right?
Let's see the stats of who is making bank so we can believe.
Who makes more than the guy sweeping crap up outside a McDonalds in Anywhere, USA? Lets see your proof.
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lostboy2020
Rising Star
Bronze Level
ok
does y\
that mean i should br4e using a hud
does y\
that mean i should br4e using a hud
Hello everyone! For those who do not know me, I am Vitor Hugo and I am generally very controversial in my posts. During the time that I have participated in cardschat I have always raised very controversial and delicate issues, however my doubts about online poker have hindered my evolution as if I had a mental barrier.
It was then that I had this idea: Since yesterday I started recording my whole game, for study purposes and also for comparison with the real equity of the game (see if what happens at the online tables is really mathematical)
From this weekend I will start posting everything on my youtube channel showing the good and bad moments. Also some victories if poker allows, this will serve for the purposes of registration and also for comparison as I mentioned above in order to show what really happens.
Hug to everyone!
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
You have an expensive strategy! earn and and withdraw! and play an always small percentage of the profits, if it breaks start from scratch.
but there must be people profiting yes! see lex verdulhis. but have you seen the broadcast?
every 10 pairs he picks up 7 are a set flop every 10 draws he calls hits 7 not counting the bluffs that will pass every AA he picks has KK with cooler
Premium account with millions of rake. So I wanted to compare it to a regular profitable high stakes account.
And the most interesting thing about this study is that you don't have to be playing right or wrong, it's about the execution of equity. I can take my time but I have to do it and if someone stops me or suffers retaliation, the answer will already be given.
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
Excuse me
I don't understand my friend, could you express yourself in another way?
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
ah yes I understand, I'm using the hud yes! it's the best way, the initial recording project was unfeasible now it gets a much more practical and precise way
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
You have an expensive strategy! earn and and withdraw! and play an always small percentage of the profits, if it breaks start from scratch.
but there must be people profiting yes! see lex verdulhis. but have you seen the broadcast?
every 10 pairs he picks up 7 are a set flop every 10 draws he calls hits 7 not counting the bluffs that will pass every AA he picks has KK with cooler
Premium account with millions of rake. So I wanted to compare it to a regular profitable high stakes account.
And the most interesting thing about this study is that you don't have to be playing right or wrong, it's about the execution of equity. I can take my time but I have to do it and if someone stops me or suffers retaliation, the answer will already be given.
You are referencing someone with proof? Sorry, I don't follow, is that someone commenting? Can you post their explanation? I am looking for actual first person encounters, not youtube celebs or whatever, I am not discrediting, just would prefer someone that can explain in detail how they make money...there should be someone here that can do that right?
A lot gets lost in translation, stats can prove, life stories can prove.
All I see is a scam so far.
You may want to accept the fact that all poker sites are a scam, but that is just a thought.
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
ah I understand you mean that you think that normal people like us don't profit...
this one is mine, of course it's not much but I've never had any damage. but the question is not that win or lose, more important is how the algorithm is answering the math in the long run.
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lostboy2020
Rising Star
Bronze Level
ok
does y\
that mean i should br4e using a hud
does y\
that mean i should br4e using a hud
Hello everyone! For those who do not know me, I am Vitor Hugo and I am generally very controversial in my posts. During the time that I have participated in cardschat I have always raised very controversial and delicate issues, however my doubts about online poker have hindered my evolution as if I had a mental barrier.
It was then that I had this idea: Since yesterday I started recording my whole game, for study purposes and also for comparison with the real equity of the game (see if what happens at the online tables is really mathematical)
From this weekend I will start posting everything on my youtube channel showing the good and bad moments. Also some victories if poker allows, this will serve for the purposes of registration and also for comparison as I mentioned above in order to show what really happens.
Hug to everyone!
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
what site is that from? Sorry I can't see it.
I am not discrediting regulated sites FYI, I have never played on one yet
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
what site is that from? Sorry I can't see it.
I am not discrediting regulated sites FYI, I have never played on one yet
is WPN
Pokerstudy
Legend
Bronze Level
The downward spike is normal....you think you went from sucking ass to being a poker god? No lol
Can you prove you can cash out? Can you prove after cash out you can make the same money?
No.
It is a scam.
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
what site is that from? Sorry I can't see it.
I am not discrediting regulated sites FYI, I have never played on one yet
My dear if you are doing this for my studies to be left behind and other members do not see, lose your hope, otherwise I apologize in advance.
I've been trolled like this in some posts. I will keep updating, and I will also disclose it on other platforms, this is of public utility. I wish with all my strength that everything is reacting correctly because it would be a disappointment to realize that I wasted so many years of my life dedicating myself.
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
I understand, good night my dear. sleep, the anger passes.
the post is not about making profits or being a poker god, you who raised the subject, but lose hope because it didn't offend me at all and it won't change anything in my study.
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
I just saw your graphics, really you're not trolling me. I'm sorry. Dude if I can give you some advice, don't deposit play freerolls to play around, try to start from scratch this way it will relieve your pressure and all the money that comes in will be profit, and when you lose profits you got for free you won't feel so much.
