As players get smarter and more aggressive, you will see a wider range of shoves and a wider range of calls. Therefore you will ultimately see more “bad beats”. But you can say anything that has a 51%+ chance of winning is a “bad beat” if it looses. Seeing more bad beats doesn’t constitute the theory that it is rigged. I remember the Main Event if either 07 or 08 when quad Aces lost to a royal flush. If that would have happened online, everyone would have cried it was rigged. It was just poker. I’ll say it again, I’ve never met a consistently winning player talk about how it’s rigged. Only players who lose. Sounds like an excuse to me.
Mr_Hand said:
Yeah I believe most players that say online poker is rigged just haven't taken the time to improve their online game. I know a lot of people say ACR is horrible and rigged and you can't make money. But I've always had pretty good luck on it. Cash outs are quick and easy, and I don't really know why a site would be rigged they make their money off the rake so what do they care who wins.
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There’s many different arguments I’ve heard over the last 15yrs. “They’re just building big pots” or “They’re catering to the new, less skilled players”. But my original point remains: I haven’t ran into winning players who believe this way. It’s just losing players. I don’t think that’s coincidence.
I can see a reason why sites would balance good players and bad players by programming bad beats. That would create an equilibrium keeping the money on play on the site instead of frustrating newbies or recreational players that at one point could decide they don't want to lose more money.
I don't believe it be the case though, at least on big sites, because it will imply taking a big risk in case this is discovered (it could end the entire business). Just saying it's not completely absurd that something like that could be programmed to work on the benefit of the site and not the players.
And in the end I agree with both of you, it's far easier to blame the site than to figure out what are you doing wrong, so probably most people complaining about this need to work more on their game and don't let variance upset them.
I don't believe it be the case though, at least on big sites, because it will imply taking a big risk in case this is discovered (it could end the entire business). Just saying it's not completely absurd that something like that could be programmed to work on the benefit of the site and not the players.
And in the end I agree with both of you, it's far easier to blame the site than to figure out what are you doing wrong, so probably most people complaining about this need to work more on their game and don't let variance upset them.
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As an example, last week I lost 10 sitngos in a row. I got bad beated every way you can imagine. I was starting to question my ability, because I'm use to get ITM pretty often. So what I did instead was to analyze this sessions, and what I found out was it was true I got less than I deserved in most cases, loosing hands with 90%, and so on. But I also starting playing worst because of that, playing more hands, too reckless, trying to bluff to much. I corrected that and as of today I'm still a winning player, even after suffering many, and believe, many bad beats in a row.
I do not think that now play a few contrary now play more because now there is even greater interest in poker has more room to play more promotions better graphics all tournaments and whatnot. The future of poker is promising.andosalado said:
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It's possible to be a winning or a losing player while playing a rigged game. Just because you don't complain about it, doesn't mean you don't know something is up. I can point you to a number of pros who have done well live and couldn't do the same online. So it isn't just bad players losing consistently and complaining. There are good players in there too.
Ultimately regardless of whether online poker is rigged or not (and whether it differs from site to site), it just comes down to players giving it a go and seeing if it works for them or not. Online poker isn't getting shut down from the rigged discussions anytime soon. Many players give their money for the entertainment of trying to win. A few succeed. The question is how much of that success is attributed to skill versus the particular site just spoon feeding good results to a select few at particular times.
Ultimately regardless of whether online poker is rigged or not (and whether it differs from site to site), it just comes down to players giving it a go and seeing if it works for them or not. Online poker isn't getting shut down from the rigged discussions anytime soon. Many players give their money for the entertainment of trying to win. A few succeed. The question is how much of that success is attributed to skill versus the particular site just spoon feeding good results to a select few at particular times.
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By "rigged" or "rigging" in online poker, I am talking about a site manipulating the dealing of hole cards and community board cards in any way, for any purpose, so that there is more to any poker game than just the poker game itself.Mr_Hand said:
All the people who talk trash to the new players, fishes, deters them from playing too I believe. It never made any sense to me why people would do that. Why would you degrade someone for playing badly. So what they got lucky one hand. There is no reason to call them a f****'n idiot donk.... Let them keep playing that way the odds are in your favor then you should win a majority of the time.
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Wouldn't be surprised if this did happen. Especially in fast fold poker, where after playing for an hour straight I will suddenly see someone who I have never seen before appear at a table with a large stack, jam all in with subpar cards, hit their draw, and then disappear.
There are less players now but that will all change when Americans are allowed to play again.I am from Scotland and think it is a disgrace if you live in America you cannot play poker online.
