Is there a way to trick a poker bot?

PokerSki · Aug 26, 2019

is there a way to trick a poker bot?

fundiver199 · Aug 26, 2019

Unless its based on the latest generation AI software, which is able to adjust to opponents, then the answer is yes. The bot will be programmed to take certain actions in certain situations, and unless its programmed to be perfectly balanced, you can find the areas, where its unbalanced, and relentlessly exploit it.

If for instance it fold to much to check-raises, you can just check-raise away, and unlike a human opponent it will never pick up on it and adjust. It will just continue to fold, even when you have been check-raising in 8 of the last 10 opportunities.

I used to play quite a bit against bots on Zynga play money tables several years ago, and these bots were easily exploitable. I do fear however, that programmers have become better, and of course there is also more incentive to make a very good bot in real money games. So if I thought, a particular opponent was a bot, I would probably mostly be looking to avoid.

12345djon · Aug 26, 2019

The bot can be identified with a delay of 6 seconds to make a decision in each distribution of cards, and if you are sure that it is a bot, then I think it is not difficult to deceive.

domfudao · Aug 26, 2019

I dont believe this in pokerstars for example.

Luan · Aug 26, 2019

I think not unless it was programmed for these kinds of situations!

EarnDAStack · Aug 26, 2019

I've actually done quite a bit of thinking about this but be weary I have literally NO understanding of computer programming.

I think in the end the computer or bot will only ever be as good as the person who programmed it. I've read a little about when Doug Polk and his friends played against a bot in a "Brains versus AI Challenge" and all of Doug's friends got smoked before Doug managed to turn a profit for "Brains" and won the challenge.

My question is, AI beat 3 or 4 other players before losing to one of the best heads up players in the world. so my question is, was the programmer maybe better at poker then the other players on the Brains team and then Doug was better which is why he did so well against the AI.

I think theoretically if a bot was programmed perfectly, perhaps it would be unbeatable, but given how it's humans programming it I would imagine a bot can only be as good as the player programming it understands poker and programming.

The best way I can figure to trick the bots, be better than them

pentazepam · Aug 26, 2019

You buy a better bot.

kristersb123 · Aug 26, 2019

This is where comes exploitative strategy/playing, there isnt 100% GTO strategy figured out yet so you can beat it.

Dlbcanuck · Aug 26, 2019

The first thing is the ability to spot a bot. The six delay is interesting. Is that accurate? What level of games do people spot the bots operating on in cash games? What websites?

successlaw · Aug 26, 2019

I think yes. But you have to play bunch of hands in order to figure out his algorhytm. After that i think you can exploit them

Bidolaha · Aug 26, 2019

In any case, the bot can be fooled, they have their own limitations, that is, they basically just copy the visions of the players thereby learning and learning but to a certain level.

tomk7788 · Aug 31, 2019

If you have their HUD stats it would help determine a strategy to exploit them.

Poker Orifice · Aug 31, 2019

12345djon said:
The bot can be identified with a delay of 6 seconds to make a decision in each distribution of cards, and if you are sure that it is a bot, then I think it is not difficult to deceive.

How do you know this information? (re: 6 seconds)

freestocks · Aug 31, 2019

Yea. A bot will delay 6 seconds? Where did you hear this?

Transcendence · Sep 1, 2019

No! It's called a dynamic flop!

Transcendence · Sep 1, 2019

EarnDAStack said:
I've actually done quite a bit of thinking about this but be weary I have literally NO understanding of computer programming.

I think in the end the computer or bot will only ever be as good as the person who programmed it. I've read a little about when Doug Polk and his friends played against a bot in a "Brains versus AI Challenge" and all of Doug's friends got smoked before Doug managed to turn a profit for "Brains" and won the challenge.

My question is, AI beat 3 or 4 other players before losing to one of the best heads up players in the world. so my question is, was the programmer maybe better at poker then the other players on the Brains team and then Doug was better which is why he did so well against the AI.

I think theoretically if a bot was programmed perfectly, perhaps it would be unbeatable, but given how it's humans programming it I would imagine a bot can only be as good as the player programming it understands poker and programming.

The best way I can figure to trick the bots, be better than them

I think you're wrong about AI. AI learns and learns by playing fair what cards come in such he plays, and Pokerbot cheating. There's a difference between an AI and a Pokerbot.

kraemer · Sep 6, 2019

As long as you dont have the source code you will need to beat them
in the same way you beat any other opponent. Watch his game and
discover exploitable patterns...
Maybe they are even easier to beat, because you might be able to scare
them out of hands by making bets that destroy their pot odds. I would
guess that bots will pay a lot more attention to the actual odds than the
average micro stakes player

akufto · Sep 6, 2019

this is purely my opinion, if there is a poker bot and it is a bot from this poker room, then what cards would you not be handed out, this bot will still win you with any trifle on hand, so play and pray luck that this bot does not get with you at the table

8bod8 · Sep 6, 2019

look at chess,
-long ago any good player could beat the computer
-nowadays....I'm not too sure the human is still winning

with poker bots it's similar:
asuming the bots getting better, it's becoming more and more difficult for a human to:
1) identify the bot
2) beat the bot
make sure not to go to showdown too often, as the bot will learn fast...

shane4050 · Sep 6, 2019

i second to avoid going to showdown as often as possible if you suspect a bot as it will learn your game but as long as you switch it up you should always come ahead with a bot at the table. ie predictable play etc

ChickenArise · Sep 6, 2019

Random splash pots throw a wrench into the bots. A player would have to defy logic to trick a bot.

najisami · Sep 6, 2019

Yeah Kraemer, what you said makes sense. Against a bot or a human opponent, it is true that you need to watch their play and act accordingly. The problem with a bot though is that by the time you discover the patterns, you could've spent a lot of money. So unless you have tons of it, you might not have the opportunity to exploit those patterns...

djasset · Sep 7, 2019

i think it would depend how often the programer reviews the bot's hands and adjust its balance

June4Spades · Sep 10, 2019

In Zoom I often see player doing mini-raises, no matter the cards. Always think these must be bots. Maybe bots in testing-mode.

flagstone · Sep 10, 2019

I have a question here, since some of you seem to know about this bot stuff. Will the bots always be completely silent? Someone told me random "hi" or "nh" could still be a bot..

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