Phil Ivey and his 20 million casino wins

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I do not think it was cheating. Its the casino's responsibility to ensure the cards are not faulty. The casino is supplying the cards and forum to play in.
 
Actually I thought that Ivey had more than 120million dollar networth!</div>
 
He is a great player one of the best. Loosing this price it is not gonna affect his game. He still gonna be many years at the top.
 
He exploited rules but they let him so show him the damn money!

I read about this story a while back. I feel like the casino should know about the ways to get an edge on the game of choice for the gambler and Phil just exploited what he knew was there weakness. They paid those professional craps players who learned how to throw a dice at a 45 degree angle and how to position their dice to get certain numbers. Then they changed the rule that you have to roll the dice not toss them up in the air. They should have paid Phil for finding a loophole then closed the loophole so no one does it again. Not that Ivey needs the money as he made a ton playing poker already but SHOW HIM THE MONEY!
 
No one forced the casino to agree to all of his requests, they could have politely but firmly declined. Given they agreed, they should pay out.
 
i personally dont think that he did anything wrong. i think that he did everything in his power to increase his chances of winning. he found a defauall deck and convinced the casino manager to use them. he didnt do anything illegal or wrong. the blame should fall on that casino manager. because if i talk you into doing something stupid, whos to blame? me or you?
 
SeriousBizzness said:
i personally dont think that he did anything wrong. i think that he did everything in his power to increase his chances of winning. he found a defauall deck and convinced the casino manager to use them. he didnt do anything illegal or wrong. the blame should fall on that casino manager. because if i talk you into doing something stupid, whos to blame? me or you?
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I agree the casino should pay out!
 
Terrible advertisement for a game that already has a distasteful past . Should be banned from the tables for life . GREEDY BASKET . 😛layingba
 
I think casinos are cheating. Faster than a thunderstorm will hit me, rather than I will win in the casino xD
 
casinos !!! Phil should have won these cases !! He played by the rules.and was punished for finding a legal edge that give him the advantage to win
 
An Ace up your sleeve is a legal edge . Get a grip dudes , he cheated and now he is going to get screwed . Good Job . The only reason this thread seems so pro Ivey is because he wasnt playing at your home game . :withstupi
 
What he did is not easy. I don't know why people see it as a cheating. He took the advantage of the situation. I watched this video 2 years ago, can't quite remember how they realized how he did it, it sux he lost the money tho.
 
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I think since the casino agreed to the conditions then there should be no problem. I believe it is the casinos fault.
 
parata96 said:
He is good. But Thomas Dwan is a best player.
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This must be a troll comment... I sure hope so anyways. I've lost all respect for "Deadbeat Dwan".

Onto the main issue of this thread - I don't understand why Ivy has to pay the casino back, it sounds outrageous to me. Sure, he hustled them... but that is a BIG difference from cheating. It sounds to me like this is the casinos fault for accepting his requests and allowing themselves to be hustled. Casino's hustle millions of people, it's about time someone hustled the casino. I really hope things turn around somehow in the courts, although that seems impossible at this point for Ivy to win this case. This puts a sour taste in my mouth about the Borgata, which used to be my favorite spot in AC.
 
And than Negreanu says that they dont earn not even close to that 😀 But but Phil is just master of this game,for many years back ...
 
Phil and the expert say:
1) The combination of the specially selected cards, the dealer and companion is a scam.
2) Phil asked the casino beforehand; his 'conditions'
3) nothing wrong from criminal law point of view
4) in practice they used marked cards, with the marking done by the manufacturer

Civil law is a very different story:
1) Borgata found out late and tries to get money back
2) Crockfords played Phils game and kept his money

In any case, it remains bad for the game, players that get an edge using a scam; no different from collusion in poker.
 
It's not surprising for the best poker player for me , he's so talented and smart .
 
I'm calling BS,

If the Casino are stupid enough to agree terms and not think "Hang on, why would he request this...>Lets investigate further....." More fool them...
They wanted his money
They agreed his terms
They lost money!
Threw a paddy and won a court battle

UNFAIR..
 
I like Phil as a player, especially when he plays with his mouth open, I believe that he is the best player in the world.
 
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