The Super User Scandal

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This happened on stakes noone here plays and also most likely the vast majority here is or was not using these table assistance programs that transported the virus.

Those players affected could not just "get an idea" what is on their computers. They most likely used these programs just as usual while that agent has been planted via update ir some other way im unaware of.
 
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Brigistul said:
Dear all! Have you read what this news article says? What do you think?

It's very unfortunate but it won't be affecting me directly. I've also chatted with some guys who play high volume online and none of them have been affected and they're not overly concerned at all. The only thing any have expressed a concern over is how some of the social media folks will try to blow this up way out of proportion and the only good that does is give them 'clicks' and unfortunately will have a ton of micro donks saying stuff like "Oh so THAT is why I have been losing!" (which is HIGHLY doubtful).

I'm sure a bunch of freerollers in here will jump on this.

So does anyone have 'MeshCentral' or 'MeshAgent' or 'Meshfrigg'nAnything'... central or agent anything mysteriously running or installed on their computer? (I don't)

Does anyone on this entire forum use 'Intuitive Tables' poker table management program? (I don't).

Someone today mentioned that it could've also possibly (or additonally) come from 'Jurogin' table management software (< I am not certain of this though).
I've read some members on CC have tried it out but was it just the free program and when? (fwiw, I don't have it, never used it either and don't find it necessary even if (or when) 14-16 tabling... & know of a player who 24-30 tables and they also don't use a table management program)
 
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"A cybersecurity researcher has published a report revealing that a covert remote-access tool was secretly installed on the
computers of online poker players. The researcher estimates that between 10 and 30 players have been affected since 2024."


....it then goes on to mention something that happened to high stakes players 20 years ago on now defunct poker sites that has
no connection to this story or software.... yeah I read it and now I want my time back....

the poker listings story on Paul Gregg is far more informative👍
 
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Charlie Carel made a Youtube video about this recently. Goes to shoe you that most of us don't know too much about technology. I would never know if a spyware program or whatever they call that mesh program was on my computer. Supposedly this situation affected higher stakes players.
 
I hope someone grabs this guy (Canadian Paul Gregg) and tosses him into Lake America! Disgusting behavior!
 
Poker Tracker 4 is on my computer(the account) I use sorely for poker. Nothing else is downloaded to that user account and NOTHING else ever gets access to that user account. It's really too bad majority of high stakes poker players put all their brain power into just studying poker and almost nothing else seemingly. Situations like this are easily avoidable with a bit of brain power and common sense.

Nah don't throw that POS in any lake.....throw him threw the woodchipper along with any cheating scumbag. The woodchipper is the ultimate problem fixer it fixes EVERYTHING permanently the first time. I'll pay for gas....yes even at today's prices.

Overall just another black eye in an endless loop of black eye's for poker and the reason the majority of the human race will never be interested in poker. Pretty impossible to grow poker with shit and cheating happening almost all the time.

Cheers!!!
 
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This is no Super User scandal in the way it has been in the history of poker industry.
The Pokersoftware itself had a backdoor superuser that revealed all cards of the players at the table.

This is a combination of trojan sideload(infected tool) on the victims computer, and then have remote acces to the victims screen/whole system.
This is something a good virus scanner should detect immeatedly.

We see all the GG/888 streams of Final Tables with open hole cards ( such a client is a super user client).
 
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Due to naivety, ignorance, or carelessness, you could face problems such as a repeat security check or the loss of all funds in your online accounts.
 
That's bad. Every day hackers get more creative. Every day, the promoters and developers of poker platforms need to be more cautious. The good thing was that the trap was discovered.
 
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Magallaneroy said:
That's bad. Every day hackers get more creative. Every day, the promoters and developers of poker platforms need to be more cautious. The good thing was that the trap was discovered.
The spyware did not come from any poker platform. It came from third party poker software used for managing tables while playing. I have never used that kind of software, but presumably it help you arrange your tables, if you are multitabling.
 
Goggelheimer said:
This is something a good virus scanner should detect immeatedly.
This is incorrect. The tool is a legitimate tool not malware and it was delivered through a trusted (signed) software. It was also reported that it created a path exclusion on some of the victim's systems.

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The ~30 people and only at high stakes is unknown (And probably unlikely) Those numbers were simply the known discovered at the time. Pads has stated on Twitter that "It’s 1,000+ people from all game types, formats and stakes." I'm assuming this number comes from CP checking logs to see if Mesh Agent was running. But I don't know.

We also don't even know for sure if Jurojin and Intuitive tables are the only tools compromised. Even if they were those are two widely used poker tools.
 
S3mper said:
This is incorrect. The tool is a legitimate tool not malware and it was delivered through a trusted (signed) software. It was also reported that it created a path exclusion on some of the victim's systems.
Sorry to say that your misconception of pc security is lacking some small parts.

If a program or tool let´s say JuroJin (trusted installer and known as one of the tools for this scam) makes such a path exclusion a good AV solution should alarm the user directly. This is a baseline security breach.
Sadly only some consumer AV-Systems (Microsoft Defender, Bitdefender Total Security, Kaspersky Plus/Premium and some others) have the abilty to detect this kind of attack on a system. Most solutions are on enterprise level.

An automatically created path exclusion without user consent is a baseline‑security breach (even bypassed through UAC mechanics).

  1. A core protection layer is disabled. The excluded folder is no longer scanned, creating a blind spot attackers can exploit.
  2. It matches known defense‑evasion behavior. Ransomware, loaders, APT groups, and sideloading attacks commonly add exclusions to hide activity.
  3. System integrity is broken. Baseline security assumes protections behave as expected. An unsolicited exclusion violates that assumption, regardless of whether the tool is signed.
 
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Goggelheimer said:
Sorry to say that your misconception of pc security is lacking some small parts.
This is certainly true and in fact you understate it.
Goggelheimer said:
If a program or tool let´s say JuroJin (trusted installer and known as one of the tools for this scam) makes such a path exclusion a good AV solution should alarm the user directly. This is a baseline security breach.
Sadly only some consumer AV-Systems (Microsoft Defender, Bitdefender Total Security, Kaspersky Plus/Premium and some others) have the abilty to detect this kind of attack on a system. Most solutions are on enterprise level.

An automatically created path exclusion without user consent is a baseline‑security breach ( even bypassed through UAC mechanics).

  1. A core protection layer is disabled. The excluded folder is no longer scanned, creating a blind spot attackers can exploit.
  2. It matches known defense‑evasion behavior. Ransomware, loaders, APT groups, and sideloading attacks commonly add exclusions to hide activity.
  3. System integrity is broken. Baseline security assumes protections behave as expected. An unsolicited exclusion violates that assumption, regardless of whether the tool is signed.
I actually more or less agree with you. I misunderstood "a good" virus scanner as something like Microsoft Defender but yes, an Enterprise AV/EDR would have been more likely to have detected it. (Assuming they had it tuned to do so.)

Also, to clarify only some had the exclusion path.
 
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S3mper said:
This is certainly true and in fact you understate it.

I actually more or less agree with you. I misunderstood "a good" virus scanner as something like Microsoft Defender but yes, an Enterprise AV/EDR would have been more likely to have detected it. (Assuming they had it tuned to do so.)
You picked the only one that has such detection level ("Mircosoft defender" because it´has no price it has no worth).
And yes this is no enterprise solution.
All these AV consumer solutions have their flaws and are way behind the "AI Generation" processes that modern attackers use.
 
I have been following this and as much as it might have not affected us low stakes but means online can easily be tampered with. Always check your PCs and use good security software
 
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Mwaki said:
I have been following this and as much as it might have not affected us low stakes but means online can easily be tampered with. Always check your PCs and use good security software
This is not exactly something new. The same kind of cheating happened already 15-20 years ago. Doug Polk got a refund from PokerStars after being cheated in heads-up games by a specific opponent. And a danish pro went to jail for having planted this kind of spy software on the laptops of other high stakes players. But yes this can still happen, so obviously people should be aware and protect themselfes, especially if they play high stakes cash games.
 
Mwaki said:
I have been following this and as much as it might have not affected us low stakes but means online can easily be tampered with. Always check your PCs and use good security software
This kind of attack is a very old scenario in computer security, specifically in supply-chain compromises and malicious update delivery.
Some old attack chain in a new (clothes) scenario "poker tools".
 
fundiver199 said:
This is not exactly something new. The same kind of cheating happened already 15-20 years ago. Doug Polk got a refund from PokerStars after being cheated in heads-up games by a specific opponent. And a danish pro went to jail for having planted this kind of spy software on the laptops of other high stakes players. But yes this can still happen, so obviously people should be aware and protect themselfes, especially if they play high stakes cash games.
Another thing I'd point out is the majority of us at micro-low stakes don't even likely require such table management software as most likely can't even affectively double table and make a profit. And if you're only double tabling all one needs is a 17' laptop for us older guys with not great eye sight or a 32' monitor for your desktop. You don't even really need a 32' but I game and sim-race as well. Then you just resize the tables to go side by side on the screen no table management software required.

It's really only the high stakes players who can play up too 24+ tables and still maintain a decent win rate. Which then I can see why they need such software. The rest of us only need Poker Tracker 4 or Holdem Manager 3 or 4 whatever version their on now. And they've both been around forever and are both safe/clean software.

Cheers!!!
 
hardongear said:
Another thing I'd point out is the majority of us at micro-low stakes don't even likely require such table management software as most likely can't even affectively double table and make a profit. And if you're only double tabling all one needs is a 17' laptop for us older guys with not great eye sight or a 32' monitor for your desktop. You don't even really need a 32' but I game and sim-race as well. Then you just resize the tables to go side by side on the screen no table management software required.
I absolutely dont need table management software to play 4-6 tables on my laptop either. On GG Poker you can save set-ups, so its just a single click on a button. And on other sites I simply resize and drag the tables into place, where I want them, one by one. Not a big deal at all. Plus if people are engaging in that kind of criminal activity, they obviously want to win as much money as possible, so they are never going to target some random 10NL or 25NL player.
 
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fundiver199 said:
I absolutely dont need table management software to play 4-6 tables on my laptop either. On GG Poker you can save set-ups, so its just a single click on a button. And on other sites I simply resize and drag the tables into place, where I want them, one by one. Not a big deal at all. Plus if people are engaging in that kind of criminal activity, they obviously want to win as much money as possible, so they are never going to target some random 10NL or 25NL player.
Fwiw I wouldn't put you in the majority. Yeah that kind of software has some great features and is very helpful too those playing many many tables no doubt. Very few people are like Chris Moorman thou who play 4-6+ screens and 20-24+ tables and likely still does when he plays online. I have no idea what the max amount of tables per site is now. Guys like him are machines and pretty rare.

Cheers!!!
 
I remember some time ago, ESET flagged one of my poker applications as a virus. I never quite understood why, and I had to exclude the App from scans just to be able to play...

However, if you want to search a little deeper than what is outlined in the article, you can use this broader PS command. It does not install, delete, or modify anything; it simply scans your Windows-based PC to check for any hidden backdoors:


Code:
Write-Host "`n===  SEARCHING 4 MESH AGENT ===" -ForegroundColor Cyan

$names = @(
    "meshagent.exe",
    "meshagent",
    "MeshCentralAgent",
    "Mesh Agent",
    "meshcentral"
)

$roots = @(
    "$env:ProgramFiles",
    "${env:ProgramFiles(x86)}",
    "$env:ProgramData"
)

foreach ($root in $roots) {
    if (Test-Path $root) {
        foreach ($name in $names) {
            Get-ChildItem -Path $root -Recurse -Force -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue -Filter $name |
                Select-Object FullName, Length, LastWriteTime
        }
    }
}

Write-Host "`n=== WINDOWS SERVICES ===" -ForegroundColor Cyan

Get-CimInstance Win32_Service |
    Where-Object {
        $_.Name -match '(?i)meshagent|meshcentral' -or
        $_.DisplayName -match '(?i)mesh agent|meshcentral' -or
        $_.PathName -match '(?i)meshagent|meshcentral'
    } |
    Select-Object State, Name, DisplayName, PathName

Write-Host "`n=== PROCESSES ===" -ForegroundColor Cyan

Get-Process -ErrorAction SilentlyContinue |
    Where-Object {
        $_.ProcessName -match '(?i)^meshagent$|^meshcentral'
    } |
    Select-Object Id, ProcessName, Path

Write-Host "`n=== DONE ===" -ForegroundColor Green
 
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