AI is coming for you
Artificial Intelligence is already upon us in a big way, AI is in all of our software and any gaming sport on line so why so surprised. All these E-Mails we send for support or help sooner then later you will be talking and writing to a bot/AI. Get used to it because if not already you could be sitting next to a Bot. Capo1014
Artificial Intelligence is already upon us in a big way, AI is in all of our software and any gaming sport on line so why so surprised. All these E-Mails we send for support or help sooner then later you will be talking and writing to a bot/AI. Get used to it because if not already you could be sitting next to a Bot. Capo1014
It could absolutely destroy the game. Pokersites need to find a way to keep the bots out of the tables but from my point of view they don't really care. It's all about the rake. A bot pays rake to play and wins only if the opponents are generally bad. If it's bot vs bot then the house is getting rich.
Lots of things that poker rooms can do, like using captchas, or making some of the graphics slightly different once in a while to break the bots because they use screen scraping. I once got a captcha and if it was not me playing I probably would have been banned.
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i consider people using ai & bots to defeat others a type of cheating
disgusts me
suppose using ai, surely it will be for sale for players to use, (as bots are currently for sale to use) might be similar to huds, giving a player an edge over those that do not employ artificial crutches/aides
what this means for future hard to say
hopefully poker sites will employ counter measures to outlaw such things as they try to do regarding bots, & some with huds or other assistance software
is a lot of money available, no doubt technology advances will strive to profit $usd from us technology/unsophisticated players
i no play buyins over $5 - doubtful in immediate future machines will be employed to defeat me & steal my monies...
but when the availability & cost make it easy for us lower level players to add ai, sophisticated software, bots etc.... to our arsenal, online poker becomes who has the best tools, ability will have less importance which is sad 😡
i consider people using ai & bots to defeat others a type of cheating
disgusts me
suppose using ai, surely it will be for sale for players to use, (as bots are currently for sale to use) might be similar to huds, giving a player an edge over those that do not employ artificial crutches/aides
what this means for future hard to say
hopefully poker sites will employ counter measures to outlaw such things as they try to do regarding bots, & some with huds or other assistance software
is a lot of money available, no doubt technology advances will strive to profit $usd from us technology/unsophisticated players
i no play buyins over $5 - doubtful in immediate future machines will be employed to defeat me & steal my monies...
but when the availability & cost make it easy for us lower level players to add ai, sophisticated software, bots etc.... to our arsenal, online poker becomes who has the best tools, ability will have less importance which is sad 😡
If they exist, what make you think they are genuinely playing poker?
Maybe they can collect all the table information and just pretend they are playing without knowing it, and having been programmed to only obey a certain percentage of wins (even bluffing included in this ecuation)
Wouldn't surprise me at all.
Maybe they can collect all the table information and just pretend they are playing without knowing it, and having been programmed to only obey a certain percentage of wins (even bluffing included in this ecuation)
Wouldn't surprise me at all.
I agree that it would be fun playing against AI's as a learning tool only, not in a real money tournament. It would have a great advantage over beginners and novice players.sweeper21 said:
Shells said:
It is going to depend on many things, 1st is cost effectiveness, it is not totally destroying mid stakes , low stakes because really good AI is still expensive. and complicated for the average person to by-pass poker sites "security". Even high stakes have an opportunity to 'catch" people using real-time assistance. there will always be back and forth with cheaters against the sites.
Public opinion is going to be the real nail in the coffin. Once people decide they can't enjoy the games , they will stop depositing money and then only regs will be left and it is over. I am still playing and enjoying the games for now.
But this only helps with a few hands, once the AI can create a larger database about your game, it's over.
As some of you have already mentioned above, there is still a large corporation missing at the moment, which applies its chess or Go AI to poker.
It will not happen anymore that even a Magnus Carlsen can beat the best AI like LCZero over several games.
As some of you have already mentioned above, there is still a large corporation missing at the moment, which applies its chess or Go AI to poker.
It will not happen anymore that even a Magnus Carlsen can beat the best AI like LCZero over several games.
Yes online poker may well be dominated by bots in the next 5 years, but this just means we will go back to live poker. I don't think online sites can really do much about it, as even if they can detect ai software on someone's computer, what if someone runs an ai that tells them what to do? Sooner or later, this will be a major issue for poker sites, but I still think that poker will survive it.
It could potentially ruin it eventually but reckon it's fine at the mo. I think huds also give an unfair advantage to people but you also know how to use the info effectively.
I only play online but I'm looking forward to trying live as I think it would be more exciting trying to not give anything away tellwise
I only play online but I'm looking forward to trying live as I think it would be more exciting trying to not give anything away tellwise
Bots and AI are not necessarily the same thing. I am not saying that either of them are good for the game, just saying that we might be mixing terms a little.
A BOT can play the game with some level of sophistication, but may only be a complex series of IF...THEN statements. These will generally make the same decisions in identical situations, because they are just a program. Any player can run a BOT that is on the side of their table. It need not be integrated into the program we are playing.
AI is far more complex in that it would be interpreting information and coming up with solutions that are not necessarily pre-programmed in. It uses machine learning and big data to make these decisions. (Note: I do not consider GTO solvers as AI - they are very complex programs that develop solutions based on simulations - some may disagree, but I don't see actual "machine learning" here.)
Live poker rules! No BOTS and no AI. It is up to the players themselves to learn to the best of their ability using whatever methods would suit them best. OnLine poker is wrought with issues - collusion, BOTS, AI, HUDS. If ALL players had the same data available to them, it might be a level playing field, but at the moment, that is not what is happening.
And while we are on the subject - check out the following site: https://neopokerlab.com/
Good Luck and God bless.
A BOT can play the game with some level of sophistication, but may only be a complex series of IF...THEN statements. These will generally make the same decisions in identical situations, because they are just a program. Any player can run a BOT that is on the side of their table. It need not be integrated into the program we are playing.
AI is far more complex in that it would be interpreting information and coming up with solutions that are not necessarily pre-programmed in. It uses machine learning and big data to make these decisions. (Note: I do not consider GTO solvers as AI - they are very complex programs that develop solutions based on simulations - some may disagree, but I don't see actual "machine learning" here.)
Live poker rules! No BOTS and no AI. It is up to the players themselves to learn to the best of their ability using whatever methods would suit them best. OnLine poker is wrought with issues - collusion, BOTS, AI, HUDS. If ALL players had the same data available to them, it might be a level playing field, but at the moment, that is not what is happening.
And while we are on the subject - check out the following site: https://neopokerlab.com/
Good Luck and God bless.
