After all, who believes that most poker sites are rigged?

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I dont know man, sometimes I feel like is rigged but I know that tilt exists so who knows, there is a lot of pro players making money, so who knows, I guess there should be serious punishment for any rigged platform
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its too much temptation for human nature not to rig the online sites....especially where money and profit making is concerned.
anyone arguing otherwise is trying to gaslight.
 
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I don’t believe there’s any rigging in online poker rooms — many times we’re just going through a bad streak, and that makes us think the sites are rigged against us.
 
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I dont know man, sometimes I feel like is rigged but I know that tilt exists so who knows, there is a lot of pro players making money, so who knows, I guess there should be serious punishment for any rigged platform
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There are zero players left who can make a living without a sponsorship, you can't even grind for Rakeback. How many people have made 100k Last year online? That used to be doable at nl100, its insane that you guys still don't want to admit it
 
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There are zero players left who can make a living without a sponsorship, you can't even grind for Rakeback. How many people have made 100k Last year online? That used to be doable at nl100, its insane that you guys still don't want to admit it

Care to wager on this?
 
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Care to wager on this?
We have no more ptr, may be there are a few people left, may be, id need more than his hands or whatever Russian telegram bot site you use to track the results.

Care to elaborate how much you want to wager, judges and exact bet? You are claiming there is a single person earning 100k in 1 year at nl100 ? Or are you claiming its still done by basically every serious grinder with a brain? Are we talking post Rakeback or off the table? You might have action here
 
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Programmers I want to hear you the most.
Of course the official terms alegate that there is no manipulation of the cards dealt in online poker room tables. It actually says that (and this is only for the big poker sites) the dealing cards system is "as random as possible". Wait, is it totally random or not?
Folks, legal or not, I do believe our real experience more than "legal terms and conditions" drawn by the company lawyers. We are talking about multi milionare companies that has every resource available to circumvent the borders of legal burocarcy. Even though there is regulation, it doesn't mean they have no way of rigging and profiting by it in their softwares.
"They would loose all their players if it was rigged". No, because the players are dumb and the company too smart. "There are small poker sites that we have to worry about, but big ones like GG or PS would never do that". Really? Does that make any sense at all? Small companies get caught because they don't have the legal resources to back them up. As more money a company possess, more we have to worry, cause basically they can do whatever they want. You can say whatever you want, call me conspiratory, but in a capitalist system, this is a reality.
What grounds can we have to at least justify this allegations, if they say is not rigged? Math. Well, we are students of chance, probability, and I'm telling ya, with frequency I've seen with my own eyes some turnouts that math would disagree with.
But the insteresting thing would be to hear some software engineers, programmers, people that actually know how it is to manipulate, to PROGRAM this kind of system. Oh, the big letters are to make sure we're talking about something that can be pre-set, previously defined, architected, programmed. We are talking about something that is more than possible to be rigged within legal boundaries.
Tell us your opinion.
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As I understand, poker rooms can’t really be rigged. The RNG works normally, and it wouldn’t make sense for them to mess with it. Their profit comes from rake, not from who wins or loses, so keeping the games fair is actually in their best interest. If players lost trust, the whole platform would die fast.
 
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I do not see the reason to mess up with RNG. Making profit for the poker room is build up in the system - it is just rake. Imagine the site managers organising programmers to build some holes in the software or to program any illegal algorythms. Involving more people to make it etc etc. Why taking the risk, just to make some players win over other players? If they want to earn more, they can increase rake by 0,5% or decrease the money going into rakeback or other promotions, making hundreds of thousands without sophistcated cheating algorythms and risk.

For example: GG declares "November Giveway 14M" - just now. So, what if they just "giveway" 10M instead? No control, no risk, no cheating. It is their choice how much they wish to "give" with promotions. Why the heck taking any risk, involving workers, programming shit to make any rigged algorythms?
 
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I think what he intended to say was that he got drunk with other family members and after they played a bit online poker despite almost not seeing the cards anymore.
We were definitely aware, initially we thought it was a table change but it wasn't.
 
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We were definitely aware, initially we thought it was a table change but it wasn't.
Basically zero chance this happened and without a screenshot i give this story 0.01 % credibility.
 
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Программисты, я больше всего хочу услышать вас.
Конечно, официальные условия гласят, что карты, раздаваемые за столами онлайн-покер-румов, не подтасовываются. На самом деле, там говорится (и это касается только крупных покерных сайтов), что система раздачи карт «максимально случайна». Постойте, а она полностью случайна или нет?
Друзья, независимо от того, законны вы или нет, я верю нашему реальному опыту больше, чем «юридическим условиям», нарисованным юристами компании. Мы говорим о многомиллионных компаниях, которые обладают всеми ресурсами, чтобы обойти бюрократические препоны. Хотя регулирование существует, это не значит, что у них нет возможности мошенничать и получать прибыль через своё программное обеспечение.
«Они бы потеряли всех своих игроков, если бы это было подстроено». Нет, потому что игроки глупые, а компания слишком умная. «Есть небольшие покерные сайты, о которых нам стоит беспокоиться, но крупные, такие как GG или PS, никогда бы так не поступили». Серьёзно? Разве это вообще имеет смысл? Небольшие компании попадаются, потому что у них нет юридических ресурсов для их поддержки. Чем больше у компании денег, тем больше нам нужно беспокоиться, потому что, по сути, они могут делать всё, что захотят. Можете говорить что угодно, называйте меня заговорщиком, но в капиталистической системе это реальность.
Какие основания у нас могут быть, чтобы хотя бы оправдать эти обвинения, если они говорят, что они не подтасованы? Математика. Что ж, мы изучаем случайность, вероятность, и, скажу я вам, я не раз своими глазами видел результаты, с которыми математика не согласилась бы.
Но было бы интересно услышать мнение инженеров-программистов, программистов, людей, которые действительно знают, как манипулировать, ПРОГРАММИРОВАТЬ такую систему. О, большие буквы нужны для того, чтобы убедиться, что речь идёт о чём-то, что можно заранее настроить, определить, спроектировать и запрограммировать. Речь идёт о чём-то, что более чем возможно модифицировать в рамках закона.
Поделитесь с нами своим мнением.
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No, most of the big and reputable poker sites are not fraudulent.
 
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We have no more ptr, may be there are a few people left, may be, id need more than his hands or whatever Russian telegram bot site you use to track the results.

Care to elaborate how much you want to wager, judges and exact bet? You are claiming there is a single person earning 100k in 1 year at nl100 ? Or are you claiming its still done by basically every serious grinder with a brain? Are we talking post Rakeback or off the table? You might have action here

I never said anything about 100nl (or even 'cash games').

Read the post I responded to, then read my response.
 
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Basically zero chance this happened and without a screenshot i give this story 0.01 % credibility.
Wish I could have. I stated at the time that I thought it was a glitch, but the incident did happen.
Was not my phone, it was my dad and brothers phone, and we only noticed at the end of the hand. My dad's phone is old and maybe that had some effect. It didn't show any different on the cards history.
On another note the day after my dad's account was blocked. He still hasn't been able to log on. This happened on 31/10, and couldn't log in last week, so it been 2 weeks. I will find out tonight if he can log back in yet.
 
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I never said anything about 100nl (or even 'cash games').

Read the post I responded to, then read my response.
You replied to my own posting and in an obvious manner.
So you don't want to bet anymore I guess lol
 
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Basically zero chance this happened and without a screenshot i give this story 0.01 % credibility.
If you really need something I'm willing to find a video of a dutch streamer called Easterdamz, they literally changed the suit of a river card to give him the win, did younger see cards suits changing on full tilt or does that happen in land based casinos too?
 
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Played on a now defuncted site many years ago which had a "10cent giveaway" game, this was a 1 table 10 players sit and go freeroll, winner got 6 cents 2nd got 4cents, it had a lot of sit outs on it. After playing a lot on it (watching the sit outs winning lots of all in hands) I worked out that most of the time the games would NOT go down to 2 players before 38 minutes, 3 players 30 minutes, 4 players 25 minutes, 5 players 20 minutes.

Since I have started play online again in the last year I have noticed similar patterns . I played a freeroll all in or fold game a couple of weeks ago and got through to the next round, the next round started with 10 players, 2 tables of 5, Me and another player went all in first hand and I won 4 players left on table the other 3 all sit outs, So I took their chips until they all had less than 1BB. Between them they then won the next 12 all in hands, a few time good preflop hands but mostly with the worst and hitting the river to win.

I do not believe its rigged but I do believe they have schedule (time frame) to finish the game in and therefore when behind or ahead of schedule you get a string of bad beats come along,
 
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Played on a now defuncted site many years ago which had a "10cent giveaway" game, this was a 1 table 10 players sit and go freeroll, winner got 6 cents 2nd got 4cents, it had a lot of sit outs on it. After playing a lot on it (watching the sit outs winning lots of all in hands) I worked out that most of the time the games would NOT go down to 2 players before 38 minutes, 3 players 30 minutes, 4 players 25 minutes, 5 players 20 minutes.

Since I have started play online again in the last year I have noticed similar patterns . I played a freeroll all in or fold game a couple of weeks ago and got through to the next round, the next round started with 10 players, 2 tables of 5, Me and another player went all in first hand and I won 4 players left on table the other 3 all sit outs, So I took their chips until they all had less than 1BB. Between them they then won the next 12 all in hands, a few time good preflop hands but mostly with the worst and hitting the river to win.

I do not believe its rigged but I do believe they have schedule (time frame) to finish the game in and therefore when behind or ahead of schedule you get a string of bad beats come along,
U observed a low sample of some basically completely meaningless, free games a site provides in order to promote the site and this is your conclusion? 😅😅😅 Absolute and complete nonsense. That last sentence is pure comedy and you are contradicting yourself
 
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Wish I could have. I stated at the time that I thought it was a glitch, but the incident did happen.
Was not my phone, it was my dad and brothers phone, and we only noticed at the end of the hand. My dad's phone is old and maybe that had some effect. It didn't show any different on the cards history.
On another note the day after my dad's account was blocked. He still hasn't been able to log on. This happened on 31/10, and couldn't log in last week, so it been 2 weeks. I will find out tonight if he can log back in yet.
Yeah sure it happened. I would trust three random guys with phones in their hands over Stars integrity all day every day.
 
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What option do we have anyway in the end but to trust them in hope sitting behind a screen in the comfort of our homes!
 
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What option do we have anyway in the end but to trust them in hope sitting behind a screen in the comfort of our homes!
Call 6 people you know and play a rake free non rigged game amongst friends or colleges...that's like a really good option
 
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...this is an unproductive debate, since websites can have other types of "manipulation," but regarding the playing cards, I don't believe so... I'm talking about the big websites, because if there were any irregularities with that, they would lose a lot in terms of their image within the community...
 
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Everything in human life is rigged , full of tricks , lies , cheats , scams , etc etc so why poker would be sth different ? In gambling business one tries to bluff or steal money against the other players or the casino house or poker room . Why the poker room or the rng would be an exception . And why sb would try to persuade us that it is not rigged. If he is paid by a poker room I would understand the why
. I mean , the way everything is nowadays , better safe than sorry . Better be sceptical or mistrustful . So many cheating stories have surfaced till now , still some people want us to believe that poker or casino sites are churches , and their rng is 100% pure and right . Even churches steal lol
 
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