CoinPoker decent to start profiting in NL2?

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I’ve been looking at microstakes pools and sites, and CoinPoker seems interesting on paper for NL2–NL10. Independent reviews suggest a 5% rake, an effective rake rate that can end up much lower after rakeback, and a field that is often described as very soft. The smaller regular pool could also mean players are less studied, which may keep recreational mistakes alive for longer.

That said, I know a lot of the information available comes from reviews and affiliate-style breakdowns rather than a single official public source that is easy to verify. So I’m still unsure how reliable the real rakeback value is in practice, and whether it meaningfully changes the long-term EV compared with other rooms.

My main question is: for a beginner trying to beat NL2/NL5 and build a bankroll, is it usually better to start on regular tables and slowly add more tables as you improve, instead of jumping straight into Zoom/Rush formats? My intuition is that regular tables might be easier to exploit and better for learning postflop, while fast-fold games may reduce winrate even if volume is higher.

What has been your experience with:

  • CoinPoker’s real rakeback value.
  • The softness of the NL2/NL5 pool.
  • Regular tables vs Zoom/Rush for a beginner.
Would love to hear from players who have actually grinded these stakes.
 
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Its definitely better to begin with regular table and also mostly stay with these. The reason is, important parts of the game like reads and dynamics are largely missing from Zoom games, and its also a format, that does not lead anywhere. Online cash games are a great place to begin and learn the game, but its also a dying format.

So if you want to make it somewhere in poker, you will need to eventually move to either live games or online tournaments, and Zoom is not a thing in these formats (especially not live obviously). That being said you can try Zoom tables at some point and see, if you like them. They are convenient for short sessions, and the lack of reads and dynamics is less of an issue in small pools than big ones. I have no experience with Coin Poker so cant comment on that particular site.
 
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fundiver199 said:
Its definitely better to begin with regular table and also mostly stay with these. The reason is, important parts of the game like reads and dynamics are largely missing from Zoom games, and its also a format, that does not lead anywhere. Online cash games are a great place to begin and learn the game, but its also a dying format.

So if you want to make it somewhere in poker, you will need to eventually move to either live games or online tournaments, and Zoom is not a thing in these formats (especially not live obviously). That being said you can try Zoom tables at some point and see, if you like them. They are convenient for short sessions, and the lack of reads and dynamics is less of an issue in small pools than big ones. I have no experience with Coin Poker so cant comment on that particular site.
Thanks for your opinion my friend. Can you tell more about this cash games crash?
 
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Thanks for your opinion my friend. Can you tell more about this cash games crash?
6-max cash games are basically solved, so they are slowly dying out from above. The same is also true, and even more so, for SnGs. In live games people cant use real time assistance (RTA), and they appeal more to recreational players, so they are a much more sustainable environment. You can still play cash games and SnGs online, but the action will get capped at lower and lower limits.
 
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fundiver199 said:
6-max cash games are basically solved, so they are slowly dying out from above. The same is also true, and even more so, for SnGs. In live games people cant use real time assistance (RTA), and they appeal more to recreational players, so they are a much more sustainable environment. You can still play cash games and SnGs online, but the action will get capped at lower and lower limits.
Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it. I’ll start looking into live games too, although in Brazil they’re mostly tournaments.

Right now I’m focused on NL2/NL5 cash games, inspired by some players who multi-table these stakes to build extra income (around $500/month, which is meaningful here).

What would be your main tip for a beginner on NL2/NL5? I'm new to the forum and I don't have many contacts in the poker world, so any guidance would be of great help. Thanks again.

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Good morning and good luck if you start grinding on that site .
 
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It can be done but lately the connection of the site seems terrible.
Not just for me, I see people getting disconnected all the time.
That together with the time banks that are already way too long can get very tedious.
In tournaments but it also gets annoying in cash games even when you have several tables open.
 
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É possível, mas ultimamente a conexão do site parece estar péssima.
Não é só comigo, vejo pessoas se desconectando o tempo todo.
Isso, somado aos bancos de tempo que já são muito extensos, pode se tornar muito tedioso.
Em torneios, isso é irritante, mas também em jogos a dinheiro, mesmo quando você tem várias mesas abertas.
Greetings pvs80, i see, that’s interesting to know. I was having trouble accessing the website from Brazil to download the App, so I had to use a VPN. What initially attracted me was the seemingly better rakeback compared to GGPoker, along with reports of a high number of recreational players.

That said, after thinking it through (and discussing it with ChatGPT), I decided to build my bankroll on PokerStars instead. I do have some regrets, though, since I realized I can’t get detailed player stats without using an external tracker—but I’ll try to set one up.

Thanks for the insight.
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Right now I’m focused on NL2/NL5 cash games, inspired by some players who multi-table these stakes to build extra income (around $500/month, which is meaningful here).
If someone can win $500/month playing 2NL/5NL, they would almost certainly be able to win more playing slightly higher stakes like even just 10NL/25NL. 2NL/5NL is for building your skills and your first bankroll. It should not be the end goal.
 
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It's very difficult to win that amount playing at such low stakes, but I do believe CoinPoker is a good site to play on. It's constantly growing and investing in promoting the platform, which attracts new players.
 
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If someone can win $500/month playing 2NL/5NL, they would almost certainly be able to win more playing slightly higher stakes like even just 10NL/25NL. 2NL/5NL is for building your skills and your first bankroll. It should not be the end goal.
Second Brazilian most honest youtubers, 6 hours daily in NL2/NL5 with multi table is the most realistic extra money project. In your opinion the distance to NL10 is not too high? I started the learning process and the bankroll this week, i will try not overthink about money but i'm intersted in new points of view.
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It's very difficult to win that amount playing at such low stakes, but I do believe CoinPoker is a good site to play on. It's constantly growing and investing in promoting the platform, which attracts new players.
I will try the coin poker in next months, i'm very beginner and i'm understanding wich the most important thing in this moment is the learning process. Pokerstars is very clean, the unique problem is the dependance of external trackers like homdem manager to extract players info. I'm using the hm3 trial days, but 60$ dollars is too high for me in this moment. Thanks again TheniT.

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Second Brazilian most honest youtubers, 6 hours daily in NL2/NL5 with multi table is the most realistic extra money project. In your opinion the distance to NL10 is not too high? I started the learning process and the bankroll this week, i will try not overthink about money but i'm intersted in new points of view.

I will try the coin poker in next months, i'm very beginner and i'm understanding wich the most important thing in this moment is the learning process. Pokerstars is very clean, the unique problem is the dependance of external trackers like homdem manager to extract players info. I'm using the hm3 trial days, but 60$ dollars is too high for me in this moment. Thanks again TheniT.

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Not much difference between 10nl and 5nl. If you can beat 5nl.for a decent rate (7bb/100+) then you should be able.to beat 10nl
 
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fundiver199 said:
6-max cash games are basically solved, so they are slowly dying out from above. The same is also true, and even more so, for SnGs. In live games people cant use real time assistance (RTA), and they appeal more to recreational players, so they are a much more sustainable environment. You can still play cash games and SnGs online, but the action will get capped at lower and lower limits.
6 max cash is not solved, there are so many branches to the game tree with different sizes then consider multiway pots and when a fish is involved. Not dying out as far as i can see.
 
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Can anyone comment on coinpoker tournaments? I would like to know some alternative to ggpoker. There you know a lot of pools, big fields, but murderous variance too. Would anyone compare mtt on gg to mtt on coin?
 
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I'd recommend you put your efforts into MTT's. It is more difficult to deal with from a mental standpoint but it will be easier to make money at it in the long run (if you're able to work through the mental grind of MTT's). The fields are still generally much softer than cash games. And fwiw, I agree that cash games (online) seem to be dying off (ie. on some sites there is next to zero traffic above low stakes... and on some there's very very little action above micro stakes (ie. SportsBetting, Betonline, 888Poker, Partypoker). If you worked hard at your game and were confidently beating 25nl you could make some cash (for where you live) but you'd be wanting to jump around on the different sites, hitting each of them up during their best times of the day (ie. Partypoker has small player pools but if you can get on there during peak periods, you'll find some pretty wild tables (a few good regs and also a few terrible recs). SportsBetting (USA friendly site), is one of the softer sites but these days the 25nl pool doesn't even run.... but at 10nl you'll make more than 25nl on other sites due to being able to have a much higher winrate (USA players are the worst these days).
I honestly wouldn't waste much time on cash game these days unless you're unable to put aside the time commitment for MTT's. I only play cash because I'm unable to put in the time necessary for MTT's.... 'but' I'm still hoping to at some point (hopefully real soon!)
 
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I'd recommend you put your efforts into MTT's. It is more difficult to deal with from a mental standpoint but it will be easier to make money at it in the long run (if you're able to work through the mental grind of MTT's). The fields are still generally much softer than cash games. And fwiw, I agree that cash games (online) seem to be dying off (ie. on some sites there is next to zero traffic above low stakes... and on some there's very very little action above micro stakes (ie. SportsBetting, Betonline, 888Poker, Partypoker). If you worked hard at your game and were confidently beating 25nl you could make some cash (for where you live) but you'd be wanting to jump around on the different sites, hitting each of them up during their best times of the day (ie. Partypoker has small player pools but if you can get on there during peak periods, you'll find some pretty wild tables (a few good regs and also a few terrible recs). SportsBetting (USA friendly site), is one of the softer sites but these days the 25nl pool doesn't even run.... but at 10nl you'll make more than 25nl on other sites due to being able to have a much higher winrate (USA players are the worst these days).
I honestly wouldn't waste much time on cash game these days unless you're unable to put aside the time commitment for MTT's. I only play cash because I'm unable to put in the time necessary for MTT's.... 'but' I'm still hoping to at some point (hopefully real soon!)
Greeting hermano! I understand that tournaments can be more profitable these days. I actually find MTTs more interesting and game-like too. My main issue is that they require you to stay tied to the computer for long periods, which doesn’t fit my routine very well. I also don’t want to feel like I have to sit at a computer nonstop when I’m stressed. That said, I see that tournaments can be more rewarding and may feel closer to live poker. For now, I’ve decided to learn through cash games first, build consistency, and hopefully create a small side income before maybe moving into tournaments later.

By the way, since you seem to be a pretty experienced player, what kind of content, course, or YouTuber would you recommend for someone who is just starting out?
 
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For now, I’ve decided to learn through cash games first, build consistency, and hopefully create a small side income before maybe moving into tournaments later.
I think, this is an excellent approach. Cash games are great for learning the fundamentals, because you play with deeper stacks on average (often 100BB), and you only need to focus on the hand, you are playing, rather than additional factors like payjumps and ICM. Also MTTs are not really worth the time commitment, unless you are playing with a bankroll of at least $500-$1.000.

So it makes a ton of sense to begin with cash games and only consider branching into tournaments, when you have a bankroll of that size and have been able to beat 10NL over a decent sample like 100k hands. Which more or less go hand in hand, since you should mainly be playing 10NL, when your bankroll has reached $300.

The alternative is to start with SnGs. This has the advantage, that you already get used to the tournament format and ICM. But the downside is, most SnGs these days are turbos, so there is a lot of preflop push/fold spots and not as many postflop spots, as you want to learn the fundamentals of the game. And SnGs are also a format in decline, so you will need to pick specific sites or times of day to play them.
 
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Greeting hermano! I understand that tournaments can be more profitable these days. I actually find MTTs more interesting and game-like too. My main issue is that they require you to stay tied to the computer for long periods, which doesn’t fit my routine very well. I also don’t want to feel like I have to sit at a computer nonstop when I’m stressed. That said, I see that tournaments can be more rewarding and may feel closer to live poker. For now, I’ve decided to learn through cash games first, build consistency, and hopefully create a small side income before maybe moving into tournaments later.

By the way, since you seem to be a pretty experienced player, what kind of content, course, or YouTuber would you recommend for someone who is just starting out?
I couldn't tell you. Not because I can't tell you but because I don't even know offhand today. I typically watch players who play a level or two above myself. For tournament play, micros, & Brazil/Portuguese I'd highly recommend 'Bremp'. He's also a member here on Cardschat although I'd seen him on Twitch prior to this. I believe he typically plays $5 to $15 (maybe $25?). Solid player! And he streams on Twitch!

Something fundiver mentioned (which I agree with) playing 100bb cash game nlhe will really help you to develop strong fundamentals for the game. I originally played SnG's & then MTT's, then multi-table SnG's & Satellites... but then I moved to playing cash games which I've stuck with ever since. But for many years I've been wanting to transition to MTT's (especially most recently). imo it has the potential for more profits BUT it is definitely not for everyone. One thing I noticed after transitioning to cash game and then going back to playing MTT's, the majority of the players in micro stakes MTT's (and many in Low stakes MTTs) are/were absolutely TERRIBLE players (especially in early levels when stacks are deep).

I'd for sure make a plan to work towards MTT's if I were you.
 
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micros are dead don´t waste your time.
 
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I can't speak from personal experience on CoinPoker, but for a beginner at NL2/NL5, I'd prioritize game quality and learning over rakeback.

My general view is that regular tables are much better for newer players than Zoom/Rush. You get more time to think, can take notes on opponents, identify recreational players, and learn postflop tendencies. Fast-fold formats increase volume, but they also tend to attract more regulars and make exploiting specific opponents much harder.

As for rakeback, it's definitely valuable, but I'd rather be in a softer game with slightly worse rewards than a tougher game with great rakeback. Your win rate at the table will usually matter more than small differences in rewards.

If your goal is to build a bankroll and improve, I'd start with 1–4 regular tables, focus on solid fundamentals, and only add more tables when you're consistently making good decisions. Volume is great, but learning how to exploit opponents is what beats micro stakes in the long run.
 
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As for rakeback, it's definitely valuable, but I'd rather be in a softer game with slightly worse rewards than a tougher game with great rakeback. Your win rate at the table will usually matter more than small differences in rewards.
Also at 2NL-5NL the dollar amount of rake paid is so small, that any rakeback will tend to be minuscule. Maybe its something, you can begin to consider at 10NL and 25NL. At this level and similar levels for SnGs, you can also begin to contend for leaderboards, which tend to be more important than a simple rakeback.
 
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