That statement I find hard to believe, but I do believe there algorithms to curtail players that have not funded there account. There are so many players I tell my self why would they bother with small fish. I like to believe it is all on the up and up. But there is a poker site that told me, If I do not turn off my ad blocker, I would be eliminated in 6 hands(did not know I had an Ad blocker). So if they can do that, why can´t another site do the same for what ever reason. Personally I only have issues with one site.danoscar said:
Random????? Most assuredly not. I am not stating that poker sites are rigged either, however. I believe that the truth is actually somewhat greyer than that.
I truly believe that Pokerstars, 888 Poker, GG Poker, and other such poker sites are purposely programmed, not rigged, but flawed in their design, as to give three distinct individuals preferential advantages:
1. Larger stacks on whatever table you're playing at. This does not matter, whether it is freeroll, bounty builder, cash game, etc. It largely remains the same. Odds largely play out in the bigger stacks favor.
In real poker games, chip stacks will greatly fluctuate; big stacks sometimes go down, small ones grow large. Online poker sites, however, more often than not, seem to operate in reverse.
Very rarely indeed, have I ever seen a small stack increase in size at all, and they are routinely crushed by bigger stacks and inevitably eliminated from play. Again, this is not entirely realistic poker play (yet multiple sites claim they engage in just that, "realistic play")
2. Inexperienced players, or donkeys as they are called are also heavily favored. These are the types of players who will literally chase anything to the river, regardless of how ludicrous it seems. I have both participated in, and seen hands played, where someone (usually me) has a flush, straight, set, or even full house, and yet these other rookie players chase repeatedly, and they usually win with a marginally better hand (higher full house, straight, etc.) Also, this usually always happens on the river.
3. I am a Canadian player, and I cannot tell you of the volume of Brazilian and other foreign players I have encountered that routinely get better hands and/or runouts than I do. Again, I believe that this is something that PS's (and other sites) "random number generators" factor into the payouts and such, and accordingly allows the "rng" to operate in its flawed state.
These scenario's make sites like PS, 888 Poker, etc. very wealthy and as a result, I cannot imagine that they would change it any time soon.
So, to recap, not "rigged" but "incorrectly programmed" to such a degree that it benefits poker sites, but hinders really good players.
I truly believe that Pokerstars, 888 Poker, GG Poker, and other such poker sites are purposely programmed, not rigged, but flawed in their design, as to give three distinct individuals preferential advantages:
1. Larger stacks on whatever table you're playing at. This does not matter, whether it is freeroll, bounty builder, cash game, etc. It largely remains the same. Odds largely play out in the bigger stacks favor.
In real poker games, chip stacks will greatly fluctuate; big stacks sometimes go down, small ones grow large. Online poker sites, however, more often than not, seem to operate in reverse.
Very rarely indeed, have I ever seen a small stack increase in size at all, and they are routinely crushed by bigger stacks and inevitably eliminated from play. Again, this is not entirely realistic poker play (yet multiple sites claim they engage in just that, "realistic play")
2. Inexperienced players, or donkeys as they are called are also heavily favored. These are the types of players who will literally chase anything to the river, regardless of how ludicrous it seems. I have both participated in, and seen hands played, where someone (usually me) has a flush, straight, set, or even full house, and yet these other rookie players chase repeatedly, and they usually win with a marginally better hand (higher full house, straight, etc.) Also, this usually always happens on the river.
3. I am a Canadian player, and I cannot tell you of the volume of Brazilian and other foreign players I have encountered that routinely get better hands and/or runouts than I do. Again, I believe that this is something that PS's (and other sites) "random number generators" factor into the payouts and such, and accordingly allows the "rng" to operate in its flawed state.
These scenario's make sites like PS, 888 Poker, etc. very wealthy and as a result, I cannot imagine that they would change it any time soon.
So, to recap, not "rigged" but "incorrectly programmed" to such a degree that it benefits poker sites, but hinders really good players.
It makes absolutely no sense for "legit" poker sites to somehow rig the game. From a business sense, it would be suicide. And quite frankly against the law. I find most arguments that favour poker to be rigged, anecdotal. With big money at play in poker and with most poker sites allowing you to download hand histories, as well as having sophisticated tracker programs in play, those that study their own game hard, would quickly realize if something was amiss.
I believe it is legit but I can agree when there is that impossible combination of cards/turn/river that it only happens 1% of the time and when it happens to you, you feel like something is off, but in this case is just bad luck... those sites are certified and they all have their reputation. There is no need for them to rig the game, if they do and get caught they are out of business forever, just dont take it too personal.
Only concern I have is when they snap call you bad and they win like they knew it was coming. The fact you get the hand you would of beat them the hand before right after you lose a big pot everytime. Seems kinda odd but oh well we love poker. This what we sign up for.
danoscar said:
I can’t say by chance or not that distributions occur, but sometimes the brain refuses to perceive what is happening. I mostly play single table tournaments. And in half an hour of play, the number of small sets and trips just rolls over, despite the fact that the victim enters the game with a decent raise and a good hand that strengthens after the flop or on other streets. And here is today's case. I'm on the cut with 25 offsuit. Before me, one call second raise 3BB, I naturally fold. Then both go all-in preflop and show a pair of aces. I have two pair on the turn and river, but I'm not in the game. 😕
There is certainly a difference between the algorithms of poker rooms, but I don’t think there would be one. By the way, what do you base this statement on, because if you have experienced it a few times, it does not prove anything.
Poker rooms have no interest in doing so!
Poker rooms have no interest in doing so!
AC3 Meister,
I believe you are being incredibly naïve if you really believe that poker sites would never have a reason for relying on flawed software.
Of course they do. It ensures the maximum amount of players, good and bad, and it ensures the maximum returns for them financially.
It's like saying that a car dealership has no incentive to charge 10 or 20x the markup of what they paid for the car on to the consumers. They absolutely do.
So too, do the poker sites. They want to drive as much traffic as possible to the tables without taking the proper steps to actually make their games as realistic as possible, because, if they did so, they would lose money (in their eyes), and heaven forbid that should happen.
I believe you are being incredibly naïve if you really believe that poker sites would never have a reason for relying on flawed software.
Of course they do. It ensures the maximum amount of players, good and bad, and it ensures the maximum returns for them financially.
It's like saying that a car dealership has no incentive to charge 10 or 20x the markup of what they paid for the car on to the consumers. They absolutely do.
So too, do the poker sites. They want to drive as much traffic as possible to the tables without taking the proper steps to actually make their games as realistic as possible, because, if they did so, they would lose money (in their eyes), and heaven forbid that should happen.
If online poker sometimes tends to give more advantage to those with more chips than those with few chips, if for example they give you AA and you have a few chips and the big blind is the chip leader and accepts your all- in you are going to have a lot of chances of losing in order to speed up the tournament and that it does not take so long to reach the bubble or the final table, in long tournaments just be careful, the software will help to finish the tournament quickly.
sometimes it just seems not right
MTT, down to crucial stage: I have A*off, I shove. My opponent has a low pair, no way can they win. Of course opponent catches his low pair, and wins with three of a kind.
That's poker, next time I might be on the winning side.
MTT, down to crucial stage: I have A*off, I shove. My opponent has a low pair, no way can they win. Of course opponent catches his low pair, and wins with three of a kind.
That's poker, next time I might be on the winning side.
Hello!:ciao:I have already answered a similar topic regarding the availability of programs that allow you to view maps.
Here's what I wrote:
In fact, this cannot be. Yes, let's assume that the cards that have been dealt are already known (each player has his own). Information about the cards that are already in hand is stored on the poker room server. BUT! As far as I know, the Client of the poker room receives from the server only the information that should be known to the player. To find out the opponent's cards, you need to get access to the poker room server, but this is no longer possible. Only developers have access, BUT! Developers and their families are not allowed to play on these poker rooms.
Conclusion: There are no such programs - this is a myth.😉
Here, approximately the same story.
The cards are dealt using a random chtsel generator. Therefore, the result cannot be known in advance. In addition, there is absolutely no benefit for the site to remove a certain player, just because, for example, he has a shorter stack.
In fact, some of the cards are already in hand and this is another reason that makes your assumption impossible, because the generator cannot play along with a player with a longer stack and give him the necessary cards on the table if these cards are already in the hands of other players.
The only thing I've read a lot about: this is about the fact that the random number generator is buggy, but this is not the fact that the one with the most chips should have the best hand.
Here's what I wrote:
In fact, this cannot be. Yes, let's assume that the cards that have been dealt are already known (each player has his own). Information about the cards that are already in hand is stored on the poker room server. BUT! As far as I know, the Client of the poker room receives from the server only the information that should be known to the player. To find out the opponent's cards, you need to get access to the poker room server, but this is no longer possible. Only developers have access, BUT! Developers and their families are not allowed to play on these poker rooms.
Conclusion: There are no such programs - this is a myth.😉
Here, approximately the same story.
The cards are dealt using a random chtsel generator. Therefore, the result cannot be known in advance. In addition, there is absolutely no benefit for the site to remove a certain player, just because, for example, he has a shorter stack.
In fact, some of the cards are already in hand and this is another reason that makes your assumption impossible, because the generator cannot play along with a player with a longer stack and give him the necessary cards on the table if these cards are already in the hands of other players.
The only thing I've read a lot about: this is about the fact that the random number generator is buggy, but this is not the fact that the one with the most chips should have the best hand.