Are Pokerstars spin and go spinners corrupt?

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I mean according to their own website. Your supposed to draw a minimum spin just less than half the time. So for 1 game, there's no way to test for fairness; but over 100 games, say, you should be at least fairly near the 50%. mark for fairness. I download some game histories and at of 50 games I had 35 minimum prizepools. That's far too high. I alsonotice I can get a string of minimums in a row, but rarely do I get a string of non minimums
 
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I don't know if they are corrupt, but I suppose that sometimes variance works against them.
 
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Love that thread title but 100 Games do not mean anything in that format and 50 games even less. So 35 minimum spins out of 50 is absolutely normal.

Are you sure you are ready for that format? If you continue to play it u will experience way worse, that was absolutely nothing 🤏
 
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It's not exactly like that. While playing more games brings the percentage closer to 50%, it doesn't mean it's exactly 50%. It means you've gotten close, but not close enough. In the PokerStars example, the percentage they give you, if I'm not mistaken, is based on 100,000,000,000 games.
The idea is that if you play that many games, the number should match or be very similar.
 
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It’s important to understand that the prizes are determined by the system in advance, and most games do in fact end with the minimum payout. Because of this, variance is very high, and streaks of losses or small wins are a normal part of the format.
35 minimum payouts out of 50 games feels unpleasant on a short sample, but it is still far too few games to conclude that anything is “unfair.” In formats like this, short-term swings like that happen all the time.
I’m starting to see it more simply: this is not an anomaly, but just normal variance in a high-distribution game.
 
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ggpoker has less lower then normal its always the pot or higher verry rarely lower then amount of player costs
 
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All spins formats regardless which site you play them are ATM machines for the sites.
It is a casino format that has an enourmous house edge due to the large amount of 2 X draws.
These give the house 1 buy in plus the two rakeparts of the other two players.
So they can be considered a pure casino game.
 
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ColinB said:
I mean according to their own website. Your supposed to draw a minimum spin just less than half the time. So for 1 game, there's no way to test for fairness; but over 100 games, say, you should be at least fairly near the 50%. mark for fairness. I download some game histories and at of 50 games I had 35 minimum prizepools. That's far too high. I alsonotice I can get a string of minimums in a row, but rarely do I get a string of non minimums
The matter is not specific to the same player or on the same day. You can be lucky and get the largest reward, or get the same amount or less, or someone else can benefit from what you and others spent. In general, I see it as a slot machine. You or someone else may benefit. It is just a matter of luck.
 
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I'm sure it works as intended. A corrupt program would probably pay off more, or not work at all.
 
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If you flip a coin 50 times, its rarely going to come exactly 25 heads and 25 tails. There is a statistical distribution of outcomes centered around this average number with extreme outcomes like 3/47 or 45/5 being more rare than 22/28 or 26/24 but not impossible. In statistics its called a log-normal distribution, while poker players usually refer to it simply as "variance". If you choose to play a format like Spins, that contain a lottery element, the size of the price pool is going to be part of your overall variance. Another more recent example is mystery bounties, where some players are going to get lucky and win the big ones regularly, while others are not.
 
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Goggelheimer said:
All spins formats regardless which site you play them are ATM machines for the sites.
It is a casino format that has an enourmous house edge due to the large amount of 2 X draws.
These give the house 1 buy in plus the two rakeparts of the other two players.
So they can be considered a pure casino game.
So where do u think the money comes from if someone hits a 100x multiplier?

That one buy-in obv does not go "to the house" as u state. It goes into some invisible spin pool and if someone hits a high multiplier it gets paid from that pool.

Casino style poker Variant yes but not a pure Casino game, nope. Depends also the site and the exact format as there is a wide variety of spins available online with different blind levels and starting stacks.
 
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35 of 50 games is hardly statistically significant. I dont see why they wouldnt just follow the quoted probabilities as they will make money anyway, so no not corrupt
 
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Probably are
 
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