Understanding ICM: Long-term impact + free real-time calculator for 888poker MTTs?

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Hi everyone,
I’m looking to seriously level up my tournament game and want to fully understand Independent Chip Model (ICM) concepts.
Specifically, I have a few questions for the grinders here:
  1. The Core Concept & Long Run: How exactly does ICM impact my decision-making as a tournament progresses, and what is its true impact on my ROI in the long run?
  2. Chip Value vs. Dollar Value: How do you mentally adjust when chip accumulation no longer directly equals your actual cash equity (especially near the bubble or final table)?
Also, does anyone know if there is a free software tool that automatically calculates ICM factors in real-time while playing multi-table tournaments (MTTs) live on 888poker? I know tools like ICMIZER exist, but I'm looking for a free, real-time overlay or tracker if that's even allowed under their terms of service.
Appreciate any insights, strategy tips, or software recommendations you can share!


 
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louuu19 said:
Hi everyone,
I’m looking to seriously level up my tournament game and want to fully understand Independent Chip Model (ICM) concepts.
Specifically, I have a few questions for the grinders here:
  1. The Core Concept & Long Run: How exactly does ICM impact my decision-making as a tournament progresses, and what is its true impact on my ROI in the long run?
  2. Chip Value vs. Dollar Value: How do you mentally adjust when chip accumulation no longer directly equals your actual cash equity (especially near the bubble or final table)?
Also, does anyone know if there is a free software tool that automatically calculates ICM factors in real-time while playing multi-table tournaments (MTTs) live on 888poker? I know tools like ICMIZER exist, but I'm looking for a free, real-time overlay or tracker if that's even allowed under their terms of service.
Appreciate any insights, strategy tips, or software recommendations you can share!


888's UK Terms of Service specifically cover this.

Section 25.3.2 says only certain “Permitted Aids” may be used while playing. Section 25.3.3 then prohibits software/external aids outside that list, including:

“any tool or program that provides game advice in real time based on the actions of the other players at the table”
So an automatic real-time ICM overlay would appear to fall outside the permitted aids, particularly if it reads the live tournament state and calculates strategic/ICM information for you while playing.
 
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What you are looking for (as Freeware) would be called Real Time Assistance RTA.

Such systems are not allowed in any poker of the world.
 
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As Goggelheimer say, use of ICM-calculators, solvers and other advanced software while playing (RTA) is strictly prohibited by all poker sites. PokerStars will detect, if a program like ICMizer is running on your computer, while you are logged on, and if it is, you will instantly receive an email warning. This happened to me a few times, because I was working off-table with the program and forgot to close it before logging on to PokerStars.
 
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