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[underdog140]

Predictions for UFC 187 Jones vs. Johnson and Weidman vs. Belfort. I think the underdog Anthony "Rumble" Johnson will KO the champ if Jones stands with him but if it goes to the ground Jones will win by submission and I think Weidman will lose his belt too, he is not a real champion, Anderson Silva broke his leg had surgey went thru rehab came back and has the same number of fights as Weidman since the two fought

I thought Johnson at least had a chance until I seen them stand next to each other and seen the size difference. Johnson has one chance in winning this and its by getting an unlikely KO. I see Jones using his reach advantage and keeping it standing. Winning a somewhat boring decision.

People like to claim Weidman got lucky in the first match because Anderson was show boating. I counter that with, that is how Anderson fights in just about every single one of his fights. Forrest - Bonnar - Maia were all victims to it. There was no luck .. Anderson got KO. The Sonnen vs Anderon fights are more controversial than the Anderson / Weidman fights. It is unfortunate that Anderson broke his leg in the second fight but at this point he was the challenger not the champion. Anderson will be forever known as one of the greats but Weidman is the current ("real") champion.

 

[underdog140]

First time I played an MMA fantasy draft I won $50

Nice one, Congrats !!!

You heard that while watching the NCAA tournament, I bet! HaHa

It is a quote I have known for what seems like forever .... not sure were I first heard it but the quote itself is 100 % the truth.

 

[OzExorcist]

Predictions for UFC 187 Jones vs. Johnson and Weidman vs. Belfort. I think the underdog Anthony "Rumble" Johnson will KO the champ if Jones stands with him but if it goes to the ground Jones will win by submission and I think Weidman will lose his belt too, he is not a real champion, Anderson Silva broke his leg had surgey went thru rehab came back and has the same number of fights as Weidman since the two fought

I'm gonna be keeping a close eye on the odds for that fight - I'm a big Johnson fan as well, and I certainly think he's a live dog in that fight.

FWIW I'll be surprised if this fight spends much time on the ground. Gustaffson stuffed pretty much all of Jones's shots. He got a few in on Cormier after Cormier had already mentally checked out. And Johnson is pretty good at stuffing takedowns - they're like the one thing Phil Davis is really good at, and remember how silly Johnson made him look?

Jones should def be the favourite though. If nothing else, he's got an excellent game planning team behind him and I expect they'll come up with a few ways to offset the obvious power advantage that Johnson has.

As for Weidman losing his belt, I'm pretty iffy about that. For starters, it means believing that post-TRT Vitor is still as good as pre-TRT Belfort. He's 37 years old and will have been out of the octagon for over 18 months by the time they have this fight. Plus he's giving up the height and reach advantages. That's not a great starting point for beating a guy like Weidman...

I thought Johnson at least had a chance until I seen them stand next to each other and seen the size difference.

Same was true when he fought Gustaffson though, he gave up a big height and reach advantage. So you never know... plus the Gustaffson fight showed us that he turns into a stone cold killer after being poked in the eye. And you just know Jones is gonna poke him in the eye at some point

People like to claim Weidman got lucky in the first match because Anderson was show boating. I counter that with, that is how Anderson fights in just about every single one of his fights. Forrest - Bonnar - Maia were all victims to it. There was no luck .. Anderson got KO. The Sonnen vs Anderon fights are more controversial than the Anderson / Weidman fights. It is unfortunate that Anderson broke his leg in the second fight but at this point he was the challenger not the champion. Anderson will be forever known as one of the greats but Weidman is the current ("real") champion.

Gotta agree - yes Silva was clowning in the first fight, and yes it was horribly unfortunate that he broke his leg in the second one. But none of those things mean that Weidman only won by luck. He was winning both fights before those things happened.

 

[underdog140]

Same was true when he fought Gustaffson though, he gave up a big height and reach advantage. So you never know... plus the Gustaffson fight showed us that he turns into a stone cold killer after being poked in the eye. And you just know Jones is gonna poke him in the eye at some point

I was never sold on Gustaffson and picked Johnson in that fight. I am a Johnson fan so I wouldn't mind seeing him take the belt. It would be a great story. From WW to LHW Champion. But I see Jones winning a stand up battle with his reach and use of those oblique kicks to keep Johnson on the outside.

Bolded : It's almost a guarantee.

 

[Suited Frenzy]

You heard that while watching the NCAA tournament, I bet! HaHa



I'm hoping for a win for Rumble & Weidman.

4 main reasons: 1. Jones is an asshole & a cheater & has lost my respect. He doesn't deserve to be called a champion.
2. Rumble is a class act & has an extreme amount of talent. He deserves to be called a champion.
3. Belfort is an asshole & a cheater & has lost my respect. He doesn't deserve to be called a champion.
4. Weidman is a class act & has an extreme amount of talent. He deserves to be called a champion.

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On a side note, I watched the replay of the Dillashaw vs. Barao fight a few hours ago. As the commentators & others have said, that was seriously the greatest championship based performance by a underdog I've seen. Dillashaw absolutely owned Barao in every aspect. The 3rd & final round just goes to show you who wanted it more. Dillashaw had the win in the bag (if it had gone to decision), but he still went for the KO headkicks & punches. It was amazing to watch. I hope he's the champ for a long time to come.

I meant the 5th...

 

[OzExorcist]

I was never sold on Gustaffson and picked Johnson in that fight. I am a Johnson fan so I wouldn't mind seeing him take the belt. It would be a great story. From WW to LHW Champion. But I see Jones winning a stand up battle with his reach and use of those oblique kicks to keep Johnson on the outside.

Bolded : It's almost a guarantee.

I loved Johnson v Gus as well (see a few pages back in this thread).

Agree that Jones is a much tougher out that Gus and that it's correct Jones is the favourite. If Johnson gets out to around the $4 mark though I'm gonna find it hard not to put at least a small bet on him.

Actually, I think a very interesting aspect of this fight is going to be the question of what Jones should do vs what he will do. Against both Teixiera and Cormier, the "smart" game plan would seem to have been to use his reach to keep the fight at distance. But instead he chose to fight them both close in, to prove that he could beat them at their own game.

I'm no coach or striking expert or anything, but I wonder if maybe the "smart" plan against someone like Johnson is to fight in close to negate some of his power?

 

[underdog140]

I loved Johnson v Gus as well (see a few pages back in this thread).

Agree that Jones is a much tougher out that Gus and that it's correct Jones is the favourite. If Johnson gets out to around the $4 mark though I'm gonna find it hard not to put at least a small bet on him.

Those odds would be tempting.

Actually, I think a very interesting aspect of this fight is going to be the question of what Jones should do vs what he will do. Against both Teixiera and Cormier, the "smart" game plan would seem to have been to use his reach to keep the fight at distance. But instead he chose to fight them both close in, to prove that he could beat them at their own game.

You bring up a good point. He has been trying to beat others at their own game in his last couple fights.

I'm no coach or striking expert or anything, but I wonder if maybe the "smart" plan against someone like Johnson is to fight in close to negate some of his power?

I wouldn't think so. In close he can reach Jones and land some shots. On the outside Johnson will be swinging at flies.

 

[OzExorcist]

Dammit, the injury bug strikes again - TJ Dillashaw has fractured a rib and his UFC186 rematch with Renan Barao is off... http://fightland.vice.com/blog/tj-dillashaw-injured-title-defense-against-renan-barao-is-off

 

[Poker Orifice]

Dammit, the injury bug strikes again - TJ Dillashaw has fractured a rib and his UFC186 rematch with Renan Barao is off... http://fightland.vice.com/blog/tj-dillashaw-injured-title-defense-against-renan-barao-is-off

sigh

 

[Suited Frenzy]

I'm no coach or striking expert or anything, but I wonder if maybe the "smart" plan against someone like Johnson is to fight in close to negate some of his power?

His uppercuts are brutal. If I were Jones, I'd keep my distance.

Dammit, the injury bug strikes again - TJ Dillashaw has fractured a rib and his UFC186 rematch with Renan Barao is off... http://fightland.vice.com/blog/tj-dillashaw-injured-title-defense-against-renan-barao-is-off

That sucks

 

[OzExorcist]

His uppercuts are brutal. If I were Jones, I'd keep my distance.

Absolutely, Johnson has amazing power. But even he can't generate as much power on shots in the clinch as he can at optimum striking range.

 

[underdog140]

Here is a video I thought some of you would find interesting. I must say after watching this I am routing for Aldo.

 

[Suited Frenzy]

Here is a video I thought some of you would find interesting. I must say after watching this I am routing for Aldo.


http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggP1YTxrd6M

This is something different than I watched the other day.

I watched APG (Americas PreGame) & they were going back-n-forth. Not really being Aldo had a translator there. Dana White was there as well, he was in the middle of the discussions more than Aldo was lol

 

[underdog140]

This is something different than I watched the other day.

I watched APG (Americas PreGame) & they were going back-n-forth. Not really being Aldo had a translator there. Dana White was there as well, he was in the middle of the discussions more than Aldo was lol

Yea they did/are doing allot of promo stuff for this event. There is a few different videos. One Connor is holding the belt behind a door telling Aldo to come get it. There is also a quote ( Im too lazy to look for it atm) of one of Aldos coaches telling Dana something along the lines of, do not let Conor touch Aldo at any of the stare downs or durring the weigh ins. As Aldo put up with allot of dis-respect but won't put up with being touched.

Here is another video of a stare down between the two.

 

[OzExorcist]

Here is a video I thought some of you would find interesting. I must say after watching this I am routing for Aldo.

OMG that was painful to watch - and I think it perfectly sums up why Aldo isn't much of a PPV draw. You just can't have a trash-talking contest with an interpreter in the middle

I want McGregor to win this fight. Haters gonna hate

 

[braveboat]

I love McGregor! Yeah, he's acting like a nut in that press piece, but it's all part of the game.

McGregor has been incredible in the octagon; obliterating his opponents with power, speed, and style. Aldo is a great fighter in his own right, but McGregor is the next great thing, to be sure!

I'll put my money on McGregor vs almost anyone!

 

[underdog140]

OMG that was painful to watch - and I think it perfectly sums up why Aldo isn't much of a PPV draw. You just can't have a trash-talking contest with an interpreter in the middle

I want McGregor to win this fight. Haters gonna hate

True .. it is even harder when the person interviewing won't let the interpreter finish saying what Aldo said without being interrupted.

I thought he was funny and entertaining at the press conference UFC did when they had one of their " big Announcements" at The Time Is Now conference. But in the video I posted he is coming off as something entirely different.

I'll route for Aldo in this one. Sure Connor McGregor could be ( more like already is ) the next big star but I think all the hype around him is making people forget how good Aldo actual is.

 

[underdog140]

I don't want to keep posting videos but I never seen a press conference like this one. The questions ( statements ) these fans make.... I would quote some of it but most would be bleeped out. Calling Aldo a bitc.. for example. Its an hour long so I started watching from the 42 minute mark. I think most of the first is announcing the fighters and showing clips leading to the fight. I am not sure at what mark that stops.

Dana said in it that Cyborg is signed to the UFC but will fight in Invicta. Where she will try and make 135 lbs and if she wins, she will fight in the UFC.

New York Press Conference

 

[OzExorcist]

True .. it is even harder when the person interviewing won't let the interpreter finish saying what Aldo said without being interrupted.

Yeah, the interviewer was awful. I don't watch that show, is it actually his job to sit between two people and basically just say "OMG he just called you a so-and-so, are you gonna take that?!?" back and forth for the whole time? Seems pretty lame to me

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

I want McGregor to win this fight. Haters gonna hate

Why is that?

 

[OzExorcist]

Why do I want McGregor to win? Because he's awesome. Because he's entertaining. But most importantly, because Aldo is a dead end as far as raising the profile of the lighter weight classes.

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

Why do I want McGregor to win? Because he's awesome. Because he's entertaining. But most importantly, because Aldo is a dead end as far as raising the profile of the lighter weight classes.

Because of delusional fans like you, Conor gets so much hype.
Dana sure did a good job on promoting this fight, but OMG the guy beats Dennis Silver and now he gets a title match and is treated like a superstar.

 

[underdog140]

Delete Please

 

[OzExorcist]

Because of delusional fans like you, Conor gets so much hype.
Dana sure did a good job on promoting this fight, but OMG the guy beats Dennis Silver and now he gets a title match and is treated like a superstar.

So you're from the camp that says he's not legit? That he should have had to beat a wrestler before he's allowed to fight the champion... a guy who is also very clearly not a wrestler, BTW?

Like I've said a few times, I'm hardly a striking coach or expert or anything. But Jack Slack is, and FWIW he (along with pretty much all other reliable analysts) say McGregor is legit: http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-conor-mcgregor-is-the-future-of-mixed-martial-arts

 

[KUN_AGUERO_KROOS]

So you're from the camp that says he's not legit? That he should have had to beat a wrestler before he's allowed to fight the champion... a guy who is also very clearly not a wrestler, BTW?

Like I've said a few times, I'm hardly a striking coach or expert or anything. But Jack Slack is, and FWIW he (along with pretty much all other reliable analysts) say McGregor is legit: http://fightland.vice.com/blog/jack-slack-conor-mcgregor-is-the-future-of-mixed-martial-arts

I did not say anything about beating a wrestler.

My point is that he hasn`t fought a title contender.
He`s beaten a bunch of no ones, fighters who know they can`t fight for the belt, and now he`s treated like a real threat to Aldo. That makes me lol.

To be legit you got to prove you are top contender.

UFC is trying so hard to make this division exciting again but Conor has no chance against Aldo.