$1.08 NL HE MTT: Is this bad call on HU final table

I wouldn't play Q2 even heads-up on the final table unless my opponent was down to his last chip.

FLOP: Reasonable call with his OE draw. I think min bet here does a better job btw.

TURN: Standard call, he's getting a great price with straight/flush draw -A bigger bet from you would have been better but I don't think you'll ever see a fold here unless you jam, and why would you do that?

RIVER: Auto call on the river at this stack depth.

If you mean your call pre with Q2o, I think it might be better for you to fold hands like this until your post flop game improves.

Preflop
Seems like you started with 12-13BB, and with this hand pretty much all options are on the table, depending on which dynamics you have with the opponent. Meaning you can open fold, complete, min-raise or even jam. Completing is great, if he is not to aggressive, and I would only open jam against someone, whom I think fold way to much to that line. Otherwise Q2o is just to bad with not enough equity when called.

Flop
If you bet here, its largely for equity denial, because hands like J6, that randomly have some equity, might fold. And for that reason you dont want to go this large. You can bet small, but its also not crazy to check back and take a free card. You have some showdown value with bottom pair, but the hand is certainly not good enough to play for all the chips.

Turn
Now you have trips, and now you definitely want to play for all the chips. I would bet more to distribute the last two bets a bit more evenly between turn and river. But at least this "almost same bet as on flop" can look weak and induce bluffs, so its not terrible.

River
64 got there, but your hand is way to strong to fold, so I would beat him into the pot. He could have hands like 87 or 85, that take this line for value, or he could have some random bluffs. This time he had it, which just is, what it is.

monkeytilter said:

FLOP: Reasonable call with his OE draw. I think min bet here does a better job btw.

TURN: Standard call, he's getting a great price with straight/flush draw -A bigger bet from you would have been better but I don't think you'll ever see a fold here unless you jam, and why would you do that?

RIVER: Auto call on the river at this stack depth.

If you mean your call pre with Q2o, I think it might be better for you to fold hands like this until your post flop game improves.

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Pretty sure OP is asking about his own call of the river donk bet, and not the opponents calls on the flop and turn. Which as you say are completely standard with his OESD.

fundiver199 said:

Pretty sure OP is asking about his own call of the river donk bet, and not the opponents calls on the flop and turn. Which as you say are completely standard with his OESD.

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Does anyone know what GTO line is for preflop raiser on the flop?
I think we both go for min cbet as exploit as @$1.10 villain not be defending anywhere near enough against it, but I wonder if GTO bets bigger (as OP did).

monkeytilter said:

Does anyone know what GTO line is for preflop raiser on the flop?

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I tried to check it in GTO Wizard, but heads-up solutions require a $99 per month subscription. I tried to approximate it by pretending, it was a 25BB MTT with BTN min-raising and BB defending. This gives more or less the same stack to pot ratio, but both players will have quite different range compared to a heads-up, where BTN limped and BB knocked his option.

Anyways the GTO solution for that slightly different scenario is BB donking almost half the time, presumably because he have more low cards, and when BB check, BTN bet around half the time. And the sizing used by both players is a little over half pot. BTN dont have Q2 in his range, but K2s always check back the flop, and A2/A2s bet around half the time on 752 rainbow.

fundiver199 said:

I tried to check it in GTO Wizard, but heads-up solutions require a $99 per month subscription. I tried to approximate it by pretending, it was a 25BB MTT with BTN min-raising and BB defending. This gives more or less the same stack to pot ratio, but both players will have quite different range compared to a heads-up, where BTN limped and BB knocked his option.

Anyways the GTO solution for that slightly different scenario is BB donking almost half the time, presumably because he have more low cards, and when BB check, BTN bet around half the time. And the sizing used by both players is a little over half pot. BTN dont have Q2 in his range, but K2s always check back the flop, and A2/A2s bet around half the time on 752 rainbow.

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OK interesting, hopefully someone can do the heads up solve, but notable that GTO goes for b50+ rather than min.
I think that's to get more folds, and I guess A2 prefers to bet as villain has less Ax to continue? Still like the min cbet exploit tho!

monkeytilter said:

and I guess A2 prefers to bet as villain has less Ax to continue?

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Or maybe because there is a chance to cooler Villain, if an A comes, and we then have two pair against their top pair?

fundiver199 said:

I tried to check it in GTO Wizard, but heads-up solutions require a $99 per month subscription. I tried to approximate it by pretending, it was a 25BB MTT with BTN min-raising and BB defending. This gives more or less the same stack to pot ratio, but both players will have quite different range compared to a heads-up, where BTN limped and BB knocked his option.

Anyways the GTO solution for that slightly different scenario is BB donking almost half the time, presumably because he have more low cards, and when BB check, BTN bet around half the time. And the sizing used by both players is a little over half pot. BTN dont have Q2 in his range, but K2s always check back the flop, and A2/A2s bet around half the time on 752 rainbow.

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Solved for HU @ 12bb.
FLOP:
Q2o cbets min 50% of the time and checks 50%.

Villain should xr 85% of the time to 2.7, ..or flat 15%

TURN (not quite right as hero bet 1.7 not min)
Villain should consider betting/donking turn. This makes sense to me as 2 better for villains range, he picked up a load of equity but has no showdown value.

If villain checks, hero should bet 3.2 (bigger as we suggested)

RIVER 64 would check (if it checked the turn) and call the jam which hero makes 60% of the time with range, 100% of the time w. Q2.

In solver World, if hero has A2o in this spot pre it's a pre flop jam @12bb (It pretty much jams A2..A9o, mixing A7o), A2s is the only suited ace that jams pre (rest of Axs limp)