$11 NL HE MTT: Bluff?

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 1500/3000 (375 ante) - 8 játékos
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UTG: 65 358 (22 bb)
UTG+1: 70 140 (23 bb)
MP: 39 520 (13 bb)
MP+1: 8 482 (3 bb)
CO: 257 941 (86 bb)
BU (Hős): 80 064 (27 bb)
SB: 115 324 (38 bb)
BB: 101 174 (34 BB)

Pre-flop: (7,500) A Hero BTN, A♠ 7♥ lapokkal
4 játékos dob, CO megad 3000-et, Hős megad 3000-et, SB megad 1500-at, BB passzol

Flop: (15,000) 5♥ J♦ A♥ (4 játékos)
SB passzol, BB 4500-at nyit, CO dob, Hero megad 4500-at, SB megad 4500-at

Kör: (28 500) K♦ (3 játékos)
SB passzol, BB 8550-et nyit, Hero megad 8550-et, SB dob

River: (45 600) 6♦ (2 játékos)
BB 84 749-et emelt (all-in), BU (Hero) dob

The bounty weren't that important—the bigger ones had already been announced!

I made a mistake here preflop; I should have folded—I wasn't even covering anyone yet.

F: Anything could be in the big blind's range since we just limped; it's hard to narrow it down. Would a 3-bet have been better?

T: Another tiny bet; I’m calling again.

R: Goes all-in; at this point, we only have one bluff left to call.

I can imagine him bluffing with a flush draw.

He could have had a straight on the flop, but if he had Q10, he would have bet bigger on the turn.

He could also have had a lot of two-pairs, but even with those, he would have raised bigger in the previous two rounds.

These hands beat me; folding seems like the right move.
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Preflop
I dont like overlimping with an offsuit rag ace. Either raise to isolate the limper or just fold and wait for a better spot.

Flop
Obviously you can not fold top pair to a small bet not even in a 4-way pot. As for BBs range, he probably does not have AA, JJ or AJ-AK, since he did not raise preflop, but he could have A5, J5 or 55.

Turn
Yet another small bet, which you can not fold top pair to, not even 3-ways and with kicker issues.

River
Now he overbet jam essentially saying, he backed into diamonds? AX of diamonds is available, and there is an old saying "never go broke in a limped pot". So I agree with letting it go here and live to fight another day.

I agree that this is fold or open, however I'm very tempted to open A7o from the BT to 1 limper. It would depend on my feel for the table and Villain tendencies but the action here is just so weak. More often than not an open here in position heads-up or 3-way takes this down with a simple c-bet when checked to on the flop, and hey I don't mind a straight up steal neither.

As played, however, the post-flop is fine. Not much else you can do but call, call, fold.

To improve in a spot like this we want to take the time to reflect on why we flatted here preflop.
Really think about why you did it. That thought process might be harming your game.

If we take a moment to think about A7o as a flat - our first thought should be this is not a good multiway hand so no flat. Then we should think if we hit our hand can we play it confidently post flop? No. Then we think- this is a win a small pot- lose a large pot hand most frequently-do we want to take that risk at this stage of the MTT?

Working on your mindset and the analysis of the hand strength is a very good study point.

Semprini said:

I agree that this is fold or open, however I'm very tempted to open A7o from the BT to 1 limper.

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The issue here is, that the limper has a massive stack, and we do not. So without knowing anything about this player, we likely have less fold equity, than we normally would, both preflop and postflop. If CO had opened to 2,5BB, would we have called behind with A7 offsuit? Probably not, so maybe we can just pretend, he raised, and let it go. I am all for attacking limpers, but I dont think, this is the best situation or the best hand to do it with.

fundiver199 said:

The issue here is, that the limper has a massive stack, and we do not. So without knowing anything about this player, we likely have less fold equity, than we normally would, both preflop and postflop. If CO had opened to 2,5BB, would we have called behind with A7 offsuit? Probably not, so maybe we can just pretend, he raised, and let it go. I am all for attacking limpers, but I dont think, this is the best situation or the best hand to do it with.

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Oh yes, you're right. That stack would stop me 100%.

fundiver199 said:

Preflop
Nem szeretek túllimpelni egy eltérő színű, rag ász lappal. Vagy emelek, hogy izoláljam a limpelőt, vagy egyszerűen csak dobok és várok egy jobb helyzetre.

Flop
Nyilvánvalóan nem lehet top párt dobni egy kis tét ellen, még egy 4 fős potban sem. Ami BB lapskáláját illeti, valószínűleg nincs AA, JJ vagy AJ-AK nála, mivel nem emelt preflop, de lehet A5, J5 vagy 55 nála.

Fordulat
Megint egy kis tét, amire nem lehet dobni a top párral, még 3-way-s lapokkal és kicker problémákkal sem.

Folyó
Most túllicitált jamben, lényegében azt mondva, hogy gyémántokra fogadott? A gyémántok AX-e elérhető, és van egy régi mondás: "soha ne menj csődbe egy limpelt potban". Szóval egyetértek azzal, hogy itt hagyjuk a dolgot, és éljünk tovább a küzdelemért egy másik napon.

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I don't usually do this too often either,

but here I did it because the others were covering for me. In bonus tournaments, even if I raise up to 4BB, they give the bet very widely because they cover me, so I limp sometimes, but throwing is the best option.


All right, thanks for your analysis. Again, I put myself in a difficult position with a preflop error.

Semprini said:

Egyetértek, hogy ez dobás vagy nyitás kérdése, viszont nagyon csábít, hogy A7o-t nyissak BT-ről egy limpelőre. Ez az asztalhoz való hozzáállásomtól és a villain hajlamaitól függ, de az akció itt túl gyenge. Általában egy pozícióból heads-upban vagy 3-way-ben nyitott játékos egy egyszerű c-bettel legyőzi ezt, amikor passzolnak a flopnál, és hé, egy straight up lopást sem bánok.

A játékmenet szerint azonban a flop utáni helyzet rendben van. Nem sok mást tehetsz, mint megadni, megadni, majd dobni.

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Thank you for your reply.

As I mentioned in my previous post, in a normal MTT tournament I would either raise or throw, but in bounty tournaments the stakes are so crazy that I don't think they would throw a raise if they were covered.


You may be right, but if I had raised a preflop, I would have shown a stronger hand range, which would have allowed me to take the pot with a flop continuous raise.

eetenor said:

To improve in a spot like this we want to take the time to reflect on why we flatted here preflop.
Really think about why you did it. That thought process might be harming your game.

If we take a moment to think about A7o as a flat - our first thought should be this is not a good multiway hand so no flat. Then we should think if we hit our hand can we play it confidently post flop? No. Then we think- this is a win a small pot- lose a large pot hand most frequently-do we want to take that risk at this stage of the MTT?

Working on your mindset and the analysis of the hand strength is a very good study point.

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These questions always indicate to me that you have a deeper understanding of game theory,


In bounty tournaments, people play very loosely; if they have any kind of trash hand, they’ll limp in. I felt A7o was strong enough for a limp—if the Ace hits, I’ll often be at an advantage and get paid off, allowing me to build my stack by covering as many opponents as possible, but of course, it can backfire—often, people limp with premium hands like AA, AK, AQ, or KK, and if an Ace comes on the flop, I’m out of the tournament.


Since they’d already limped before me, I should have folded. With A7, there are few flops where I can play confidently, and I don’t want to risk my tournament.

The analyses here are what help me improve my game the most. When you point out my mistakes with questions like these, it’s easy to see where I went wrong—it’s hard to apply this way of thinking in the heat of the moment while I’m actually playing.

Thank you for your answers!

fundiver199 said:

The issue here is, that the limper has a massive stack, and we do not. So without knowing anything about this player, we likely have less fold equity, than we normally would, both preflop and postflop. If CO had opened to 2,5BB, would we have called behind with A7 offsuit? Probably not, so maybe we can just pretend, he raised, and let it go. I am all for attacking limpers, but I dont think, this is the best situation or the best hand to do it with.

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Plus, this is a Bounty tournament where they'll be much more lenient; for some players, the fold equity is 0.

Geo90 said:

Plus, this is a Bounty tournament where they'll be much more lenient; for some players, the fold equity is 0.

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Yes thats part of it. We do not threaten this players stack, so they can afford to get involved, and in top of this they can also win our bounty, which will make them even more sticky. So if we raise, we are mostly just building a big pot, where we will have position but not much else going for us with a hand like A7o.

fundiver199 said:

Igen, ez is része a dolognak. Nem veszélyeztetjük a játékosok zsetonjait, így megengedhetik maguknak a részvételt, ráadásul megnyerhetik a fejpénzünket is, ami még inkább ragadozóvá teszi őket. Szóval, ha emelünk, akkor többnyire csak egy nagy potot építünk, ahol pozíciónk lesz, de más nem sok mindenhez juthatunk egy olyan kézzel, mint az A7o.

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Thanks for the answers!

I think you played it ok. You have to be careful when you limp with a small Ax. And the villain never stopped betting .