$11 NL HE STT: Trips getting donked into and then facing a tripple barrel from chip leader on the bubble

Game is a $11 8-man SnG on ACR Poker. The payouts are 50/30/20 (like 9-mans on other sites), so this is right on the bubble. BB was playing VPIP 33 / PFR 21 over 43 hands, most of which was played during this game. BB was playing from the USA, and the game was played late sunday evening US time. Do you risk it all against the chip leader, or do you perhaps take the initiative and raise him on the flop or turn?

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 75/150 (15 ante) - 4 players
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UTG: 3,377 (23 bb)
BU (Hero): 4,362 (29 bb)
SB: 1,785 (12 bb)
BB: 6,476 (43 bb)

Pre-Flop: (285) Hero is BTN with A♠ T♥
1 fold, Hero raises to 300, 1 fold, BB calls 150

Flop: (735) A♣ A♦ 8♣ (2 players)
BB bets 368, Hero calls 368

Turn: (1,471) 7♠ (2 players)
BB bets 736, Hero calls 736

River: (2,943) J♥ (2 players)
BB bets 5,057 (all-in), Hero?

Not a fan of the min button raise or the flat calling with trips on flop and turn. I hate A10 so I'm biased, and would want to know where I was at before the river. Did you have the villains 3 bet percentage in there? Seems like if he had a better ace that would have come into play. It's a sng and I played them pretty nitty back in the day, I'm not willing to come in 4th in a sng not knowing where I'm at on the river.

fundiver199 said:

Game is a $11 8-man SnG on ACR Poker. The payouts are 50/30/20 (like 9-mans on other sites), so this is right on the bubble. BB was playing VPIP 33 / PFR 21 over 43 hands, most of which was played during this game. BB was playing from the USA, and the game was played late sunday evening US time. Do you risk it all against the chip leader, or do you perhaps take the initiative and raise him on the flop or turn?

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 75/150 (15 ante) - 4 players
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UTG: 3,377 (23 bb)
BU (Hero): 4,362 (29 bb)
SB: 1,785 (12 bb)
BB: 6,476 (43 bb)

Pre-Flop: (285) Hero is BTN with A♠ T♥
1 fold, Hero raises to 300, 1 fold, BB calls 150

Flop: (735) A♣ A♦ 8♣ (2 players)
BB bets 368, Hero calls 368

Turn: (1,471) 7♠ (2 players)
BB bets 736, Hero calls 736

River: (2,943) J♥ (2 players)
BB bets 5,057 (all-in), Hero?

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I agree with Belladonna05. Someone with a pfr of 21 probably is going 3b a better A from the BB. This is why I hate the baby HUDs that don't even have 3b frequency.

This is the problem with under-repping your hand so much. If you aren't willing to call it off for everything, then you shouldn't play so passively. Turn raise would have priced out reasonable straight draws.

What combos even beat you? Most sets are 3b pre as are better Ax. If villain is the type to double barrel with a back door straight draw on a paired board you are absolutely torching EV if you aren't regularly raising and 3 betting them.

As played, you have the T blocker, easy call.

Thanks for the comments.

belladonna05 said:

Not a fan of the min button raise

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May I ask why, and what sizing you would use instead?

belladonna05 said:

or the flat calling with trips on flop and turn. I hate A10 so I'm biased, and would want to know where I was at before the river.

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My line of thinking was, that if he is bluffing, then raising at any point takes away his option of continue to bluff. I am also in position, so I can always put in the rest of my chips on the river, if I want to.

belladonna05 said:

It's a sng and I played them pretty nitty back in the day, I'm not willing to come in 4th in a sng not knowing where I'm at on the river.

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It is indeed a disaster to not cash as the second largest stack in a 8/9 man SnG, which is why, I posted the hand for discussion.

belladonna05 said:

Did you have the villains 3 bet percentage in there? Seems like if he had a better ace that would have come into play.

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Lodestone said:

I agree with Belladonna05. Someone with a pfr of 21 probably is going 3b a better A from the BB. This is why I hate the baby HUDs that don't even have 3b frequency.

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The stats are from PT4, so its not a "baby HUD" or something. However 3-bet percentages takes something like 300 hands to converge, at least if you want to be able to say, its its for instance 5% or 10%. Here I only had 43 hands, which mean, that 3-bet percentage is likely only based on 1-2 3-bets, which of course says nothing at all, other than the fact, the player does sometimes 3-bet.

An effective stack size of 29BB is kind of awkward for 3-betting. Its a bad risk-reward for jamming, especially against a min-raise, and if he 3-bet small and get action, he is out of position. So while AK probably still 3-bet almost always, I can see him just taking a flop with AQ or AJ in this situation. It does depend, how aggro he is though, since he is also applying a lot of ICM-pressure by 3-betting the second largest stack.

Lodestone said:

This is the problem with under-repping your hand so much. If you aren't willing to call it off for everything, then you shouldn't play so passively.

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I agree, and I did end up calling it off.

Lodestone said:

What combos even beat you?

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I think, he can realistically have AQ, AJ, A8, A7, 88, T9 of clubs/diamonds. AK and JJ probably 3-bet pre, and it would be strange for him to donk out of the flop with 77. I beat bluffs and overplayed A9, A2-A6.

Lodestone said:

As played, you have the T blocker, easy call.

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I dont think, this really matter. If he is donking out on the flop with T9 other than T9 of clubs/diamonds exactly, and luckboxed into a runner-runner straight, then he can have a ton of other airball bluffs as well. At least on the flop, because to be fair, I dont know, how often the dubble and tripple barrel. Anyways this was the result:

I'd be giving that player a 'brown' tag.

Poker Orifice said:

I'd be giving that player a 'brown' tag.

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What player type you use this tag for?

fundiver199 said:

Thanks for the comments.

May I ask why, and what sizing you would use instead?

My line of thinking was, that if he is bluffing, then raising at any point takes away his option of continue to bluff. I am also in position, so I can always put in the rest of my chips on the river, if I want to.

It is indeed a disaster to not cash as the second largest stack in a 8/9 man SnG, which is why, I posted the hand for discussion.


The stats are from PT4, so its not a "baby HUD" or something. However 3-bet percentages takes something like 300 hands to converge, at least if you want to be able to say, its its for instance 5% or 10%. Here I only had 43 hands, which mean, that 3-bet percentage is likely only based on 1-2 3-bets, which of course says nothing at all, other than the fact, the player does sometimes 3-bet.

An effective stack size of 29BB is kind of awkward for 3-betting. Its a bad risk-reward for jamming, especially against a min-raise, and if he 3-bet small and get action, he is out of position. So while AK probably still 3-bet almost always, I can see him just taking a flop with AQ or AJ in this situation. It does depend, how aggro he is though, since he is also applying a lot of ICM-pressure by 3-betting the second largest stack.

I agree, and I did end up calling it off.

I think, he can realistically have AQ, AJ, A8, A7, 88, T9 of clubs/diamonds. AK and JJ probably 3-bet pre, and it would be strange for him to donk out of the flop with 77. I beat bluffs and overplayed A9, A2-A6.

I dont think, this really matter. If he is donking out on the flop with T9 other than T9 of clubs/diamonds exactly, and luckboxed into a runner-runner straight, then he can have a ton of other airball bluffs as well. At least on the flop, because to be fair, I dont know, how often the dubble and tripple barrel. Anyways this was the result:

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LMFAO at the replay, given villains actions it's hard to argue with your methods. If you have a punter in front of you, let them punt.


I mentioned baby HUDS because sites like WPT have a hud built in but it doesn't even include 3b which is super annoying. I'm not sure what ACR has since I played like 7 hands on there.

I actually didn't watch the replay until your reply, so that was quite the ride lol

fundiver199 said:

What player type you use this tag for?

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I'm guessing it has something to do with toilets or the color of bag they put on their heads.

fundiver199 said:

What player type you use this tag for?

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'shitty player' (brown...)

fundiver199 said:

Thanks for the comments.

May I ask why, and what sizing you would use instead?

My line of thinking was, that if he is bluffing, then raising at any point takes away his option of continue to bluff. I am also in position, so I can always put in the rest of my chips on the river, if I want to.

It is indeed a disaster to not cash as the second largest stack in a 8/9 man SnG, which is why, I posted the hand for discussion.


The stats are from PT4, so its not a "baby HUD" or something. However 3-bet percentages takes something like 300 hands to converge, at least if you want to be able to say, its its for instance 5% or 10%. Here I only had 43 hands, which mean, that 3-bet percentage is likely only based on 1-2 3-bets, which of course says nothing at all, other than the fact, the player does sometimes 3-bet.

An effective stack size of 29BB is kind of awkward for 3-betting. Its a bad risk-reward for jamming, especially against a min-raise, and if he 3-bet small and get action, he is out of position. So while AK probably still 3-bet almost always, I can see him just taking a flop with AQ or AJ in this situation. It does depend, how aggro he is though, since he is also applying a lot of ICM-pressure by 3-betting the second largest stack.

I agree, and I did end up calling it off.

I think, he can realistically have AQ, AJ, A8, A7, 88, T9 of clubs/diamonds. AK and JJ probably 3-bet pre, and it would be strange for him to donk out of the flop with 77. I beat bluffs and overplayed A9, A2-A6.

I dont think, this really matter. If he is donking out on the flop with T9 other than T9 of clubs/diamonds exactly, and luckboxed into a runner-runner straight, then he can have a ton of other airball bluffs as well. At least on the flop, because to be fair, I dont know, how often the dubble and tripple barrel. Anyways this was the result:

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I just speak from my own experience, usually when they min bet the button I'm defending with a wide range, if I know them well enough a donk bet usually gets the pot. So at least 2.5 to 3, if they had been a smaller stack that might have worked

Also me being a nitty sng player, I'm not leaving value behind , calling the flop was fine but I'm getting more money in by the turn. I love that you'd had it in your mind to call it off, but what if the river had turned d the board ugly?

Lodestone said:

If you have a punter in front of you, let them punt.

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At least he went for it with full gusto, drawing completely dead since the flop. Q high like a boss......

belladonna05 said:

I love that you'd had it in your mind to call it off, but what if the river had turned d the board ugly?

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If the flushdraw had completed, his bluff might have worked.

Lodestone said:

I'm not sure what ACR has since I played like 7 hands on there.

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ACR has no build in HUD and allow the use of external trackers like PT4.