$33 NL HE MTT: 95S

Geo90 said:

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 300/600 (70 ante) - 8 players
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abarone68 (UTG): 19,860 (33 bb)
PeakyCollins (UTG+1): 30,205 (50 bb)
ReginaCaze (MP): 19,290 (32 bb)
zimablue. (MP+1): 29,635 (49 bb)
Paciraro (CO): 18,088 (30 bb)
alta52 (BU): 71,515 (119 bb)
LODDENThinks (SB): 37,447 (62 bb)
Gyurika90 (BB): 49,294 (82 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,460) Hero (Gyurika90) is BB with 9♠ 5♠
abarone68 (UTG) raises to 1,200, 4 players fold, alta52 (BU) calls 1,200, 1 fold, Gyurika90 (BB) calls 600

Flop: (4,460) T♠ 8♠ 6♥ (3 players)
Gyurika90 (BB) checks, abarone68 (UTG) bets 1,471, alta52 (BU) folds, Gyurika90 (BB) calls 1,471

Turn: (7,402) 5♥ (2 players)
Gyurika90 (BB) checks, abarone68 (UTG) checks

River: (7,402) K♠ (2 players)
Gyurika90 (BB) bets 4,885, abarone68 (UTG) raises to 17,119 (all-in), Gyurika90 (BB) calls 12,234



PF: I think defending is standard.

F: I got a pretty good flop; I think a 3-bet would have been too aggressive here, so I just called.

T: I also picked up a pair; would it have been worth raising here?

R: My flush came, would it have been better to check here? Let him bluff—he might have a lot of missed straights like Q9, J9, JQ, and he could also have a lot of Kx hands he could raise with. My 9 can block a lot of bluffs from these ranges, but I couldn’t fold on the river; checking might have been the better play.
He’ll have a lot of Ax flushes too. How would you have played it?

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eetenor said:

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Preflop

We want to build a strategy framework that we can apply to multiple hands so that we do not have to think what do I do with 95s now when we see it. Instead we know it is part of a group of hands that we play the same way.

1 How strong of a hand is 95s? HU? 3 way? Can we realize all of its equity? How well does it play vs UTG range?
Will the 9 be dominated when we make a pair? Is it a big pot hand? Is it a good bluff hand? When we bluff does it block UTG folds?

When we take the time to think about the strength of a hand before we even play- we will be able to design strategies to play it in game most effectively.

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fundiver199 said:

Preflop
Standard defend.

Flop
You have a 12-out draw with no showdown value, so I prefer to take the aggressive route here and check-raise, especially when he only bet 1/3 pot. If you get a hand like AK to fold, thats a great outcome, and if he 3-bet, you can just get it in and hope to run good.

Turn
As played definitely a check-call, and you are happy to get a free card.

River
I agree with betting for value, since he can easily have a hand like AK or KQ, that will call a bet but not bet for value if checked to. When he raise, its not great. He can definitely have a better flush, but he could also be bluffing with the naked ace of spades or perhaps overplaying KK etc, and you are getting better than 2:1. So no you cant fold, even though I would expect to be beat at least half the time against an unknown opponent.

Getting overflushed on a 3-flush board is always annoying, when it happen, but its actually pretty rare. So just chuck it up to a cooler and move on to the next hand. At least if its heads-up and not insanely deep like in this hand. If its multiway, and there is like a bet, a raise and then a cold 3-bet, ok maybe now you let go of a low flush. But not for 33 BB against a single opponent.

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monkeytilter said:

Key here is "realising equity"
Love all the "this is an auto call pre" in the thread, yes GTO indicates it's a defend but GTO will play it perfectly post flop (with bluffs most wouldn't even dream of) and even then probably only eke out less than 0.5bb profit from the spot - look at the pickle you got into hitting one of the best hands you can make!

On the river, this is an under-bluffed spot IMHO.
Villain is risking his tourney life for a pot he has not invested that much in and you have bet into on the river.

We need villain to be bluffing about 1/3 of the time on the river given the price we are getting - I'd want a read on villain to be making this call (is he capable of big bluffs or making polarisation errors etc.)

I like your river bet (population tend to check back too much) if you have the discipline to bet-fold to the shove.

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Poker Orifice said:

Villain is definitely capable of big bluffs. It's Aaron 'fk_n' Barone ... LFG!!!

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monkeytilter said:

" I'd want a read on villain.."

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miklcct said:

Pre-flop: standard call
Flop: With such bet sizing, standard call
Turn: with a bottom pair, checking is fine, looking to see the river cheaply. You don't want getting raised against it.
River: I would bet like you, as if he misses completely, he will check.

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kunkgreen said:

PF:
Standart defense!
(I know a lot of people who would bet on that against UTG, lol)

FLOP:
I also think the check/call is standard, but I don't think it was a big mistake to have check/call here... I believe the flop range is favorable and sometimes we have some benefit in raising, perhaps denying equity from hands like KQ, AJ+? Well, I think it's a possible line, but not the standard one!

TURN:
Another card theoretically favorable to our range.

A check is okay with the way it's been played so far, we have even more equity (I believe) and we can see the river for free to improve our hand, as ended up happening.

I also wouldn't find it too strange if we started betting here, but I also believe that checking is the standard play.


RIVER:
Well, I think a good card finally came for the villain, but now it's completed our flush.

We could bet low here to induce him to bluff or get some change for the Kx... But I think a big bet (like 100% to 125% of the pot is viable) works better to extract from hands like KK, KT, AA. (These hands wouldn't check on the turn, buuuut...)

He might also be blocking the nut flush with the Ace of Spades, but he still has AJs, AQs... We're not the nuts, but we still beat a large part of his range that got this far in this way.

I think it's a good call... Although I can't think of many bluffs the villain could have here, unless he blocked with the Ace of Spades.

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Poker Orifice said:

Villain is definitely capable of big bluffs. It's Aaron 'fk_n' Barone ... LFG!!!

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fundiver199 said:

Preflop
Standard defend.

Flop
You have a 12-out draw with no showdown value, so I prefer to take the aggressive route here and check-raise, especially when he only bet 1/3 pot. If you get a hand like AK to fold, thats a great outcome, and if he 3-bet, you can just get it in and hope to run good.

Turn
As played definitely a check-call, and you are happy to get a free card.

River
I agree with betting for value, since he can easily have a hand like AK or KQ, that will call a bet but not bet for value if checked to. When he raise, its not great. He can definitely have a better flush, but he could also be bluffing with the naked ace of spades or perhaps overplaying KK etc, and you are getting better than 2:1. So no you cant fold, even though I would expect to be beat at least half the time against an unknown opponent.

Getting overflushed on a 3-flush board is always annoying, when it happen, but its actually pretty rare. So just chuck it up to a cooler and move on to the next hand. At least if its heads-up and not insanely deep like in this hand. If its multiway, and there is like a bet, a raise and then a cold 3-bet, ok maybe now you let go of a low flush. But not for 33 BB against a single opponent.

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Geo90 said:

Pf: According to GTO, this is a clear defense. I was wondering if it wouldn't be better to play tight defense? That way I could avoid situations like this.

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eetenor said:

Lépésről lépésre visszajátszás nézése

Preflop

Egy olyan stratégiai keretrendszert szeretnénk létrehozni, amelyet több kézre is alkalmazhatunk, így nem kell azon gondolkodnunk, hogy mit kezdjünk a 95-ösökkel, amikor meglátjuk őket. Ehelyett tudjuk, hogy egy olyan kézcsoport része, amelyet ugyanúgy játszunk.

1. Milyen erős kéz a 95s? HU? 3-way? Realizálhatjuk a teljes részesedését? Mennyire jól játszik az UTG skálával szemben?
Dominál a 9-es, ha párt kapunk? Nagy potban játszható? Jól blöffölhetünk vele? Amikor blöffölünk, blokkolja az UTG dobásait?

Ha már a játék megkezdése előtt időt szánunk arra, hogy átgondoljuk egy kéz erősségét, akkor képesek leszünk olyan stratégiákat kidolgozni, amelyekkel a leghatékonyabban tudjuk játszani a játékban.


:bizonytalan:

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monkeytilter said:

Key here is "realising equity"
Love all the "this is an auto call pre" in the thread, yes GTO indicates it's a defend but GTO will play it perfectly post flop (with bluffs most wouldn't even dream of) and even then probably only eke out less than 0.5bb profit from the spot - look at the pickle you got into hitting one of the best hands you can make!

On the river, this is an under-bluffed spot IMHO.
Villain is risking his tourney life for a pot he has not invested that much in and you have bet into on the river.

We need villain to be bluffing about 1/3 of the time on the river given the price we are getting - I'd want a read on villain to be making this call (is he capable of big bluffs or making polarisation errors etc.)

I like your river bet (population tend to check back too much) if you have the discipline to bet-fold to the shove.

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Poker Orifice said:

Villain is definitely capable of big bluffs. It's Aaron 'fk_n' Barone ... LFG!!!

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Sunz of Beaches said:

Yeah but as u said he plays many many tables and this is a spot where he faces a decent bet on the river while his opponent has a lot of flushes in his range. Would be very very surprised if he just goes "nuts" here on a pure bluff. Most likely has a higher flush shoving there.

Played against him once on wpt and in one hour he played like zero hands. Not that this matters too much and not that i have a real idea about his game now after watching only 1 hour of his play but i think its probably a misconception to think those crushers are bluffing all the time, especially in spots like this, while playing a gazillion tables.

Is he capable? Yes sure
Is this a spot he would do it or where its a good idea to do it in general? Imo no. Too risky to get ur opponent off a low flush that he has certainly in his range. And im sure he knows that.

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fundiver199 said:

I dont think, its a big mistake to just fold preflop, especially when another guy has already called. Its protects you from making costly mistakes against a tight UTG range and - pontentially - a tough opponent, which you would rather avoid. But the rest of the hand is just a cooler. If he bet the turn, there is no way, you can fold a flushdraw +gutshot + pair, and then there is only a single bet left for the river. And obviously you are not going to check-fold the river, when you just made your flush. You are either going to jam for value or check-call, and either way get the bad news, that your opponent has the nuts.

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