€5 NL HE MTT: is this wrong call

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preflop only i call Sb, then on flop i raised, he call. On Turn i raise he re-raise. What would you do call or fold?
 

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Preflop
As I understand it, you limped, and he took a free flop. This is fine, but you could also go for a raise.

Flop
As I understand it, you bet, and he called. This is fine, but we need to know, how much to bet, in order to evaluate the turn action.

Turn
As I understand it, you bet, he raised, and you called. I think, this is a mistake. You can either check-call this turn or bet-fold. By bet-calling you are putting in to many chips with, what is essentially just a weak pair, even though its still an overpair to the board.
 
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In addtion to prior analysis small and middle pairs (22 up to 99) in the SB are nice for setmining, but not for two pair hunting.

If the board pairs on any street you have to evaluate the action especially as the OOP player (here SB). Did you hit your set (even with AA, KK) then you have good equity but if you receive a raise from the IP player all alarmbells should go on, your two pair may be only a bluff catcher.
 
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There is a very high chance that Villain has trips or even a boat on that turn, unless you know that he is overbluffy. Straight not likely, only A4 and you block 64 pretty hard. Villain has everything but prime here due to limp pre.

When he raises turn you NEED to hit your gut or boat (8 outs total, did I count that right?). His raise is essentially pot, so your pot odds are atrocious. Mathematically this is a pretty clear fold unless you know that Villain is overbluffy but even then this is probably fold-a-rino.
 
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Semprini said:
When he raises turn you NEED to hit your gut or boat (8 outs total, did I count that right?).
Its true, that Hero has 4 outs to a straight and 4 outs to a boat. However while a 3 while give Hero a boat, its not exactly the nuts, since he would still lose to 3X, 55 and any pocket pair 77 and higher. His hand would essentially still just be the worst possible overpair, and the only difference would be, that he no longer lost to 22, 64 or A4. In top of that improving to a straight will also not exactly give Hero the nuts, since the board is paired, and 76 would make a higher straight.

Hero is also out of position, and if he check the river after making a straight, worse hands like trips most likely check back, and if he lead, he risk getting raised, which puts him in a terrible spot. So unless Hero specifically hit a 6 and improve to top boat, not a lot of good things can happen on the river. There are also no true bricks. If the river does not improve Hero, it will either dubble pair the board or put out an overcard.
Semprini said:
His raise is essentially pot, so your pot odds are atrocious.
Its actually less than half pot. After Villain has called Heros bet of 5.5BB, the pot is 22BB, and Villain made it just 9BB more for Hero to call. So pot odds are actually pretty good, but because so few good things can happen on the river, I think, its still a fold without some kind of read on the opponent.
 
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Limping BVB with a middling pair is just asking to get sucked out on by random broadways with junk kickers that often fold to an open.
 
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