$50 NL HE MTT: Top pair bluff catcher?

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It is bounty tournament, but not proggresive, for every elmination you have 25$. It is running, no longer avalaible registration. 4 player itm, 20 left, we got avarage stack 7 place 40bb.

hj 45bb folds, villain co 60bb raises 2,3bb, hero Bu :ad4::qs4: calls (this time I decided to flat, not 3 bet) sb 15bb calls, bb 26bb calls

flop :qh4::10d4::4s4: 10bb
2cheks, villain bets 7,5bb, hero calls, 2xfolds

Turn :jh4: 25bb

villain all in for my whole stack I have 32bb remaining, hero?
 
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Preflop
It can be reasonable to flat AQo on BTN against an early position raise, but against a CO raise I really prefer to put in a 3-bet for value. If you just call, you allow the blinds into the pot for cheap, and the equity and playability of a hand like AQ goes way down multiway.

Flop
First thing to note here is, that the opponent is betting very large (75% pot) in a multiway spot, where bets are supposed to be small. My general read on this is, that its a sign of strength. But without further info maybe he is overvaluing his KQ or QJ, so you cant fold TPTK just yet. But I am not completely loving the situation, and I certainly see no reason to raise.

Turn
This is probably one of the worst cards in the deck, since AK just made broadway, and QJ is now two pair along with QT. Your hand is definitely a bluff catcher, since its highly unlikely, that any hand worse than yours is overbet jamming for value. Like maybe he could be doing this with the same hand for value, but thats probably it. You do have a gutshot to broadway, which add a little equity, when you are behind. But you are facing an overbet, and as I said already, his flop action into 3 opponents was very strong. So without further info on the opponent I give him credit and fold.
 
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fundiver199 said:
Preflop
It can be reasonable to flat AQo on BTN against an early position raise, but against a CO raise I really prefer to put in a 3-bet for value. If you just call, you allow the blinds into the pot for cheap, and the equity and playability of a hand like AQ goes way down multiway.

Flop
First thing to note here is, that the opponent is betting very large (75% pot) in a multiway spot, where bets are supposed to be small. My general read on this is, that its a sign of strength. But without further info maybe he is overvaluing his KQ or QJ, so you cant fold TPTK just yet. But I am not completely loving the situation, and I certainly see no reason to raise.

Turn
This is probably one of the worst cards in the deck, since AK just made broadway, and QJ is now two pair along with QT. Your hand is definitely a bluff catcher, since its highly unlikely, that any hand worse than yours is overbet jamming for value. Like maybe he could be doing this with the same hand for value, but thats probably it. You do have a gutshot to broadway, which add a little equity, when you are behind. But you are facing an overbet, and as I said already, his flop action into 3 opponents was very strong. So without further info on the opponent I give him credit and fold.

And what about sets?
QQ will be unlikely because of the blocker, but would JJ, TT, and 44 play like the villain did?
And AA and KK?

Thanks.
 
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Rajten said:
It is bounty tournament, but not proggresive, for every elmination you have 25$. It is running, no longer avalaible registration. 4 player itm, 20 left, we got avarage stack 7 place 40bb.

hj 45bb folds, villain co 60bb raises 2,3bb, hero Bu :ad4::qs4: calls (this time I decided to flat, not 3 bet) sb 15bb calls, bb 26bb calls

flop :qh4::10d4::4s4: 10bb
2cheks, villain bets 7,5bb, hero calls, 2xfolds

Turn :jh4: 25bb

villain all in for my whole stack I have 32bb remaining, hero?
U fold, right?
Like @fundiver199 say, I’ll fold before turn.

About sets, probably that raise would occur only with AA, QQ and TT. Didn’t see logic to do a big raise with KK.
 
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Marcos1315 said:
And what about sets?
QQ will be unlikely because of the blocker, but would JJ, TT, and 44 play like the villain did?
And AA and KK?
I dont know, if QQ or JJ bomb the flop, but AA, KK, TT, 44 makes a lot of sense. But we lost to those already on the flop, which is why, I did not mention them. The Stack to Pot ratio on the flop was only 4, so normally I would be willing to get it in with top pair top kicker. But :jh4: was a really bad turn card, which changed Villains jamming range in an unfavourable way.
Its not only, that hands like :as4::kh4: and :qs4::js4: got there. Its also, that other draws like :ks4::jd4: and :jc4::9c4: and :ad4::js4:paired up. So what are even his bluffs here? Like :ah4::5h4: bombing the flop into two opponents and then picking up the BDFD? Unless Villain is a maniac, I just dont think, there is enough of that going on, and I also think, a hand like :ks4::qs4: is unlikely to jam this turn. If Villain is somewhat competent, he will understand, that this hand play far better as a pull than a push with its combination of top pair and draw. So on this particular turn card I just dont think, there are enough hands in Villains range, we beat, to justify calling an overbet.
 
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I folded, I think like you, he probably doing it with better hand. Thank you for replies.
 
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fundiver199 said:
I dont know, if QQ or JJ bomb the flop, but AA, KK, TT, 44 makes a lot of sense. But we lost to those already on the flop, which is why, I did not mention them. The Stack to Pot ratio on the flop was only 4, so normally I would be willing to get it in with top pair top kicker. But :jh4: was a really bad turn card, which changed Villains jamming range in an unfavourable way.
Its not only, that hands like :as4::kh4: and :qs4::js4: got there. Its also, that other draws like :ks4::jd4: and :jc4::9c4: and :ad4::js4:paired up. So what are even his bluffs here? Like :ah4::5h4: bombing the flop into two opponents and then picking up the BDFD? Unless Villain is a maniac, I just dont think, there is enough of that going on, and I also think, a hand like :ks4::qs4: is unlikely to jam this turn. If Villain is somewhat competent, he will understand, that this hand play far better as a pull than a push with its combination of top pair and draw. So on this particular turn card I just dont think, there are enough hands in Villains range, we beat, to justify calling an overbet.
Thank you for your explanation!
 
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Not a big fan of the passive call pre-flop which allows two more players into the pot.

As played, my main concern would be AK and overcards KK and AA. I would fold this.
 
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I would fold because you only have one pair and as you said you only have a bluff catcher and for your tournament life so deep its just not worth it.
 
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