Hi there,
99 is very strong to just call there.
You have one limper with 18bb stack and an allin for 6bb.
Best option is to push all in preflop over the 6bb guy. Standard move.
As played I don't know. I think I fold too, but call is not bad either, many times they don't have the ace here. But fold is the safest.
99 is very strong to just call there.
You have one limper with 18bb stack and an allin for 6bb.
Best option is to push all in preflop over the 6bb guy. Standard move.
As played I don't know. I think I fold too, but call is not bad either, many times they don't have the ace here. But fold is the safest.
As everyone else have said, jam preflop. You dont want to lure the limper to come along and create this extremely awkward situation, where the stack to pot ratio is less than one, you are usually dealing with overcards on the flop, and someone is already all in. So just jam and let the limper make a decision for his entire stack.
As played fold on the flop is completely fine. He did in fact have AX, so you are only questioning this decision, because you would have hit your 2-outer on the turn. But we dont call in poker to hit 2-outers. And as someone said, he is almost never bluffing here, because even when you fold, he still need to beat the all-in player at showdown.
As played fold on the flop is completely fine. He did in fact have AX, so you are only questioning this decision, because you would have hit your 2-outer on the turn. But we dont call in poker to hit 2-outers. And as someone said, he is almost never bluffing here, because even when you fold, he still need to beat the all-in player at showdown.
fundiver199 said:
100% jam preflop. And exactly for this reason. We don't want to be blown off our equity by playing such an awkward pot OOP. Effectively 18bb stacks here so clear jam with 99 😀
As far as the second part of your argument goes, it's a bit contradictive. You say he's being results oriented by basing the argument on the result (opponent having Ax). Neither of the two should really matter. Unless the result shows us something suprising that we can learn from, we should focus on the decision rather 🙂
Nr98 said:
The point is, seeing AX gives no reason to question our fold. If he had shown a bluff, then it would be more reasonable to at least ask, if folding was to nitty. Maybe the answer would be "no", but it would make sense to at least think about it and perhaps post the hand to a forum to get the opinion of others.
This hand however likely only ended in a forum, because of what happened, after Hero folded. A bit like when someone ask, if they should have called preflop with 82, because the runout was 87232, and they would have made a full house. Hope this makes sense now 🙂
fundiver199 said:
Yeah we're pretty much talking about the same thing. Ofcourse V is going to have Ax in his range here, it doesn't really make us learn anything new. So shouldn't be too focussed on the result, instead on the decision making, which we agree upon 🙂
So @OP, try to jam preflop. Otherwise we're going to have to play an awkward <1 SPR pot out of position with no actual sidepot. By jamming we realise our equity, plus we isolate a very weak jamming range which isn't a bad thing either. Maybe exploitatively we can flat with AA/KK at these stakes every now and then, but jamming in general gives the best result.
Due to the size of his stack, he could shove to isolate player 5. He limped the pre-flop, in this case the 99 force against his range. Not to mention fold equity. But post-flop I fold too. I only pay if I know the villain and I know he bluffs. Not being so I fold.