$Freeroll NLHE MTT: Was it fold or call?

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Check the MIT course on youtube, 3rd session.
If I remember well, your situation is discussed in the course and you played correctly (but I hardly know anything about ev, icm, pot odds, implied odd, etc).
 
It was a bad call because you pay 2 times the value of the pot to see your flush. That's mean that we have to win 40% of the time when we are calling that size of bet. While we had only 32% to get or flush. So, you had to fold.
 
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manolo salazar said:
It was a bad call because you pay 2 times the value of the pot to see your flush. That's mean that we have to win 40% of the time when we are calling that size of bet. While we had only 32% to get or flush. So, you had to fold.
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After the shove there is 1200 in the pot and Hero needs to call 780 to win it. It is true Hero needs to win ~40% of the time to break even and there a 9 flush outs twice. the rule of 2 and 4 (multiple outs by 4 for odds to hit with 2 cards to come) tells us the ods are ~36%to hit (true odds are 9/47 + 9/46 =38.7%. The alone math justifies the call As played Hero was the favorite given hero's 2 over cards to the pair add 6 outs. The same if Villain held A2 or A3..


One needs to look at Villain's range. By calling the flop, her range is capped, given she'd likely raise big pairs and AK. She definitely has 77 in her range, but does she have 22 or 33? She also has TT, 99, 88, if she has 77. he also has A7, A3s, A4s and K7s and other other flush draws. Against trips Hero has the flush outs, Against A(7, 3 or 2), K7s, 87s, and 76s Hero is ahead. He is losing to the bigger flush draws but there is only one combo of each call it 10: AJ, AT, A9, A8, A7, A6, A5, KQ, KJ, QJ,


When I plug all of that into my PkrCrusher App, Hero is just a slight dog. Given that Hero had just under 20 BBs in his stack, the only question I see is whether he should have folded or shoved preflop instead of raising. My Float the Turn app says its a shove preflop, but its border line.


As played, once Hero puts 11% of his stack in preflop, he needs to be thinking about shoving himself if he hits any piece of the flop.
 
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I would have done the same here, enough outs to get rewarded although you pay slightly more than you should. Statistic wise maybe not the best call but you can kick a player out of the tournament with that call, so in my opinion it's worth it.
 
Its too bad you weren't raising a good hand pre ..its such an easy zero cost fold then you got a draw .. what to do well you already bet pre that's the board you want you are shoving ..but he did it first your still calling you raised shitty ass 9 10 suited why people are telling you to fold I'm not sure you wanted to be involved with junk like that 9 10 Soooted I don't see folding I mean you raised 9 10 why are you folding here .... pot odds be damed you could have folded for zero cost...its call.. too bad you diddetn limp it then you could make an easy fold ..maybe even peel and work in a bluff .. or maybe just fold pre and mind your own business .. now your the person whos raising 9 10 from middle position ... its part of your raise from middle position range now OWN IT.. if you have the skill to make that bet..

noticed both situations ive see you post you put it in with nothing ....... bet when you had no business making bets .. you want to raise 9 10 sooted .. grind out some good hands get your stack size up .. then you can make that play but that chip stack was that like your second hand delt good players fold that instantly 90% of the time ..even though its a very playable hand on flops and turns ext why get involved making that play sorta makes you " that guy " why should the small blind fold his ace because you have 9 10 soooted id rather call a bet from the big blind or limp from the small blind w/ that hand and See how things develop .. try to MAKE the hand .. all 5 diamonds not just 4 and then check raise it

Next post I want to see you with the best hand when it go's in
but those hands don't make it here do they ...
so before this happens again say to yourself will I be asking for opiinons on CC about this hand in about 3 min .. if not then you know what to do ....Take more time between button clicking ... just stare at the 9 10 for a second and go over your plan .. if you don't have much of a plan then maybe its a more advanced play than your opponets will understand and you have to fold ..
 
tgeezee said:
Its too bad you weren't raising a good hand pre ..its such an easy zero cost fold then you got a draw .. what to do well you already bet pre that's the board you want you are shoving ..but he did it first your still calling you raised shitty ass 9 10 suited why people are telling you to fold I'm not sure you wanted to be involved with junk like that 9 10 Soooted I don't see folding I mean you raised 9 10 why are you folding here .... pot odds be damed you could have folded for zero cost...its call.. too bad you diddetn limp it then you could make an easy fold ..maybe even peel and work in a bluff .. or maybe just fold pre and mind your own business .. now your the person whos raising 9 10 from middle position ... its part of your raise from middle position range now OWN IT.. if you have the skill to make that bet..

noticed both situations ive see you post you put it in with nothing ....... bet when you had no business making bets .. you want to raise 9 10 sooted .. grind out some good hands get your stack size up .. then you can make that play but that chip stack was that like your second hand delt good players fold that instantly 90% of the time ..even though its a very playable hand on flops and turns ext why get involved making that play sorta makes you " that guy " why should the small blind fold his ace because you have 9 10 soooted id rather call a bet from the big blind or limp from the small blind w/ that hand and See how things develop .. try to MAKE the hand .. all 5 diamonds not just 4 and then check raise it

Next post I want to see you with the best hand when it go's in
but those hands don't make it here do they ...
so before this happens again say to yourself will I be asking for opiinons on CC about this hand in about 3 min .. if not then you know what to do ....Take more time between button clicking ... just stare at the 9 10 for a second and go over your plan .. if you don't have much of a plan then maybe its a more advanced play than your opponets will understand and you have to fold ..
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Please do not listen to this. If your open fold 9T IP you are way to nitty. Granted, you only have 19BB but so does most of the room. Granted. Hell, everyone at the table is under 50BB. Yes, it would suck to have to fold to a shove but not near as bad as playing to tight. This play is going to be +EV In most situations.

Villain made a horrible call, if anything he needs to shove but I’m not shoving A7 off following a raise. The flat followed by a Donk lead screams recreational player. Any over pair or set is going to be slow played by this player.

Once he does shove, you have no choice but to call. If you fold here, you are opening yourself up to major exploitation. You have 9 outs to hit a flush, 6 to hit an over pair, and some BD straight run outs. That puts you close to 60% to win the pot with two cards to come.

All in all I see no problem with your play and given a large sample, your going to beat this villain for a lot. Plays like his show just how fishy recs can be. NH buddy and I hope this helped.
 
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