Calling a shove with k10o

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Final table.
4 players left.
Blinds are 3.000/6.000 ante 750.
You are the big stack with 91.000.
The rest are 67.000, 50.000, 48.000.

Nobody is willing to play a flop, so its a constant shoving and folding.

You are in the sb with :ks4::10h4:. Utg with 67.000 shoves. What do you do?

Do you fold waiting players to bust each other and make an easy payjump or do you call expecting to multiply your chances winning the tourney if K10 wins?

Calling a shove with K10 in this situation its the standard move or not?

I called and lost to AJ. Shortly after I bust 4th
 
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Wait a hand,might be all youu need..

Spaceman said:
Final table.
4 players left.
Blinds are 3.000/6.000 ante 750.
You are the big stack with 91.000.
The rest are 67.000, 50.000, 48.000.

Nobody is willing to play a flop, so its a constant shoving and folding.

You are in the sb with :ks4::10h4:. Utg with 67.000 shoves. What do you do?

Do you fold waiting players to bust each other and make an easy payjump or do you call expecting to multiply your chances winning the tourney if K10 wins?

Calling a shove with K10 in this situation its the standard move or not?

I called and lost to AJ. Shortly after I bust 4th
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You played very well to get where you were. K10o I would fold that hand, you have stack to wait for better than k10o. But you may have an overriding feeling you had "it", you were killing it to get that high up the ladder.
 
With blinds that high I'd probably fold to someone else's shove if they are shoving fairly infrequently but shove k10o to blind steal/when I have to.
 
This is a fold for me all day. If you call you can be very dominated and you don't want to lose 2/3 of your stack this way. That being said, if I was the button, SB or BB your going all in would not be the worst idea in the word. Being first in the pot all in with this hand is better than calling in this situation Do also remember that K 10 off is not a very strong hand.
 
It's more based around if you have position I believe. With position you can represent even stronger than K10o but still you have outs as backup.
 
As the big stack I would fold this. Let the smaller stacks knock each other out. KT not very strong, not worth risking going from big to short with.
 
As other members have said, I think this is a definite fold here. Calling a shove with KT os is totally different than shoving into someone with KT. I think you make the laydown and wait for a better spot.
 
not the strongest but...

I would fold kt os every time to a push, even though I like the hand. kt suited I might give it a go.Also, it depends on the player and his tendencies. Gotta go with your gut on every thing.
 
This is a VERY easy fold for at least a couple of reasons.

1) The shove came from the 2nd biggest stack
2) What exactly is your hand beating here ? Their range is very likely ahead of yours. 22-99 are all slightly ahead, TT-QQ have you in bad shape, KK-AA have you destroyed. Many broadway combinations have you dominated ( AK, AT, KQ, KJ ). Even an Ax is slightly ahead here.
 
Easy fold here , because you are not the last player to act plus as a previous poster well said you don't want play flips against the second bigger stack. Chose carefully your spots and let them kill each other or apply pressure to them in order to have a call for their tournament life 😉

On the other hand KT open shove by you against the second bigger stack is almost standard.Different dynamics.
Now I will reveal the spoiler 😀

ps.Do you have a HUD?
 
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Easy fold here , because you are not the last player to act plus as a previous poster well said you don't want play flips against the second bigger stack. Chose carefully your spots and let them kill each other or apply pressure to them in order to have a call for their tournament life 😉

On the other hand KT open shove by you against the second bigger stack is almost standard.Different dynamics.
Now I will reveal the spoiler 😀

ps.Do you have a HUD?
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I never multitable so I prefer not to spend money on a HUD.

Opinion of regular members like you and dealio always matters a little more than everyone else. So I now know that it was indeed a wrong move. I thought that it would be too nitty to fold K10 here, and from all the constant shoving there was going on that they wont always have pocket pairs or better broadways. I thought she could shove with a dominated Kx suited, or QJ or even J10s and I wasnt dead against a pocket pair either. If I was wrong I would lose half a stack and still be in the game. But even if I was dominated it would be still a flip and I could bust her and making the payjump by myslef instead of waiting for others. Plus I would have enormous chip advantage to win the tourney. I tanked and clicked just before clock run out cause I was thinking to just fold and wait others to bust.

I should have waited instead. 🙁
Thank you all for your answers.
 
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ICM with ITM here is unprofitable. This is not standard move, becouse all players have same push stack and our ICM is adverse. We should take this into our range and fold. I like play here loose open push. If I see only that villain likes very loose open push with more 45% range, only in this I call here.
 
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For me is a easy fold. I think you was be waiting a premium hand for shove all in. With KTo you is dominated for many hands. Other way, depending on the position/action check-fold or check-call.
 
I think ICM would dictate that you fold here. If you look at the composition of the stack sizes you are better off waiting for a better spot - why go from first to worst with K hi.
 
Wait for a better spot

Spaceman said:
Final table.
4 players left.
Blinds are 3.000/6.000 ante 750.
You are the big stack with 91.000.
The rest are 67.000, 50.000, 48.000.

Nobody is willing to play a flop, so its a constant shoving and folding.

You are in the sb with :ks4::10h4:. Utg with 67.000 shoves. What do you do?

Do you fold waiting players to bust each other and make an easy payjump or do you call expecting to multiply your chances winning the tourney if K10 wins?

Calling a shove with K10 in this situation its the standard move or not?

I called and lost to AJ. Shortly after I bust 4th
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100% wait for a better spot.
 
Exactly. You might shove w/ KT but never make that call unless you're desperate (or super lucky).
 
Fold here. but shove into BB with K10 from SB if eveyone else folds. If you're in a shovefest where everyone is shoving wait for a premium and watch them crash and burn with their KQ vs your AK
 
There surely has to be a better spot to risk that many chips. You only have 15 BBs to work with. Making a move with KTo is a thing, however to call of your stack with KTo is another. If you fold there you'll surely get two more cards even though if you lose the hand your not out. You sure would be crippled.
 
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