Double or nothing sit & go

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not the best format imo. it took about 4 months from when they came out to them being unbeatable at higher levels. lower stakes may be good to grind.

Imagine - poker games where luck smiles at all thinking players still exist! In tournaments like this, you can simply get rich on a few crazy players in the early stages of the tournament. Of course, the bubble game has not been canceled, but in these tournaments it will not seem so exciting to you. Profit from those players who do not understand the strategy of playing in such tournaments will literally flow to you like a river!
In the “Double or Nothing” CIS tournaments, you will find many players who have registered for this tournament with the same purpose as you. It is very important to get the hang of these grinders from the very beginning and draw appropriate conclusions for your strategy when such players raise. Of course, if you play in several tournaments at the same time, it is quite difficult to keep track of all the players and even more so their names. sharkscope is always to your aid in this.If we talk about such tournaments in terms of the value of the prize pool (ICM poker), then you will immediately find that they have more similarities with satellites than with SNG tournaments. Since according to the established rules you can only double your buy-in, the risk of getting out of the tournament is much higher than the chance of getting money. More on this in the article below: section - late stages of the tournament. Also, do not forget to keep your ears open at the initial and middle levels of the tournament, so that you will not be ashamed to appear with your stack on the bubble.

bapfel said:

Does anybody know a lecture where strategies are described to win those games? I often lose just as one of the latest before the money rolls (?)

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I can tell you what i have found to be true. I watched the players that were finishing ITM often and noticed 1 thing their VIP was often very low around 10 to 12. They show great patience and not only make there big cards pay they often just let others make the mistakes.

more buy in more fun

my experience in this game is if you raise the buy in you have a better game play, because you might not have this guys going all in with nothing because they don´t care about the 1$ buy in.
5$, 10$ or 25$ is what I choose, you will have a nice game play nice pots every 3rd game is like 75/150$ ( my experience in 25$ buy in spin and go ), the only negative thing, it is highly addictive like slot machines, you always want to have a big pot, so you need to train yourself by setting a limit or something else to know when to have a break.
Nice and fast way to gain $ and by the way a nice opposite to tournament game where you stick in for hours

Dont like this kind of playing even about 60% winning not a big profit thought

GL to you 👍

is a great idea, if the systems seems friendly. as much as you play right you will keep getting the bad beats, and if your running lucky you can run it up a lot, even if your behind you will catch up with your shove. but if your running bad you need to stop. good luck

BAck in the day this is the format I started in before progressing to standard 9-handed SNG's. I felt they were less risky and provided me an opportunity to get the basics down, especially around bubble play, before moving on.

Double or Nothing SNG's are beatable, but the lower the stakes the higher the rake on most sites. Find the sweet spot, balance between rake and bankroll and your on your way.

Double or nothing you can try it. But always when the amount if you loose does not affect your life, daily basis, bills to pay and normal money. If it does the pressure is gonna afect a lot your game.
I only bet the money a can afford to loose. Focus
Cheers

I was playing a bunch of these at BOL and I thought I was doing great. Then I looked at my ROI and I was surprised at how low it actually was, considering how I thought I was crushing it. I cash in $15 standard 9 player SNG's 50% of the time, and the prizes are much bigger, so my ROI is way better in standard SNG's (36% ROI).

If you have enough discipline to cash in 2/3 DON's, then you can barely beat the rake and have some ROI. If you cash 1/2 then your ROI will just not be there. Even if you play a ton of these, you will struggle to have a huge ROI. Even if you win every single one you play, your ROI is capped.

By my numbers, I would have to win 3/4 times to match what I know I can do in standard SNG's, so i have abandoned them and have gone back to the standard SNG's.

We are all different, and have different preferences, but I have to agree with the guy that said the variance is higher in these, because we cannot make up for our losses due to the limited prize structure.

Good luck and God bless.

i don't recommend it, they are not profitable. you can lose easy money if you face a bad streak ( streaks of bad luck are inevitable). and in my experience i noticed that games are hard ( at least in rooms that i have played) people that plays this format use to do less mistakes than in normal tournaments.

canabero said:

.....you can lose easy money if you face a bad streak ( streaks of bad luck are inevitable).....

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Right, and if you get behind, it is very difficult to recover any losses here, because the prize structure is just too small.

I think it's worth trying, of course, perhaps if you show discipline, you can raise your bankroll. But in the same way, you can lose not a small part of your bankroll.

Andrew Popov said:

In many poker rooms, the rake in these tournaments is slightly larger than usual. Otherwise, they are quite good for advancing a bankroll and for quickly obtaining VIP status.

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Back when I was playing more and not focusing on my work, I used them to get my bankroll up all the time to the next level or if I was needing to drop down due to some losses I would go back to it to help rebuild.

Salavat Kozhakhmetov said:

had the experience to play in this tournament if a lot of patience and time for such a player, this discipline will fit if you like more action it is not necessary to play it,everything happens for a very long time especially on the bubble!

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There are clear differences to this type and a normal finish. It really is about attrition and ensuring you do not play many hands at all while the hands you do play you have a solid play. Basically if you become a rock, you should see yourself winning a large share of these.

freestocks said:

There is a lot of rake. About 10 tournaments and you're one buy in behind.

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well considering that the focus is to have a quick double, the cost is good. On PS, you take the $15, the rake is $0.85. If you win say 60% and to make the math easier no chip bonus so a win gives you $28. That means you have a 12% ($18) profit but a player who gets good at these can get their win rate to a 70% ($46) over a long period of time or even higher. I played these for many months while in uni and was close to 80% ($74). It gets tiring for the grind and much of the fun is out of the game at that rate. Also, finding enough players to have 6+ tables going at a time and getting 40+ games in in order to really make some money on the bankroll is hard

Mate, go to Bwin and play these. I don't know if I break the rules. But this is a very good option, mate. Bwin...Leaderboard and rakeback. This is what you need. Leaderboard and rakeback. To be a crusher. At DoN...I live in a small country and the "top stars" here was started with this. They are MTT players now. Ofc...But still...This is not a stupid thing. The DoN. Not at all..

UkoChebuko said:

Mate, go to Bwin and play these. I don't know if I break the rules. But this is a very good option, mate. Bwin...Leaderboard and rakeback. This is what you need. Leaderboard and rakeback. To be a crusher. At DoN...I live in a small country and the "top stars" here are started with this. They are MTT players now. Ofc...But still...This is not a stupid thing. The DoN. Not at all..

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I've heard some of the most consistent poker pros rely on rakeback for most of their income. Your strategy seems good. Also, this seems like the tournament with the best value to cash. Great for grinding up a small bankroll. :bandit:

This is a Party poker network, yeah? I was drunk, sorry . I just said "Bwin". But we can't play legally in Party. In our country. Only in Bwin..Bulgaria. And there are lot of things only for bulgarians. They like us . And a suport. At our language only. They are a lot of bulgarians. Most of them pretty bad, you know .

I check for the fee. One dolar with 7 cents fee. A huge one. But you can take more than 20% rakeback pretty easy. And every day you can take piece from the leaderboard.Easy.... You can use "first deposit bonus" as well. Pretty "cheap" one, but still this is a value. And you can beat this fee. Easy...Small edge ofc. But still better than Pokerstars. Nothing there...And they will cut some of your money at the end. Some cents. If you play $1.50 fifty50.

You can see. Can be very good option the DoN. At the right place...Back in the days Pokerstars also was a "good place". Super Nova, Vip tournaments...I won one of them. $3500 I think...

witfighter said:

Anyone think the double or nothing sit & go are worthy for grinding up my bankroll?

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f you decide to specialize in HU SNGs, you need to focus on the inherent details of that particular type of game. But this favorable feature of the HU SNG poses challenges in terms of responsibility, discipline and money management. We will try to disclose these issues in as much detail as possible in order to protect you from mistakes.The first and most important thing you need to learn is how to handle your own poker money. In order to protect yourself from losing all funds in a losing streak, you must have at least 20 buy-in + rake in your account for the HU SNG tournaments you want to play. Beginners will need 30 or more buy-in + rake amounts. And to play calmly without worrying about losing streaks, you need 50-100. When starting to play HU SNGs, look out for $ 1- $ 5 buy-in tournaments. This is a great opportunity to learn basic skills. Even if your bankroll allows, do not move to the next level until you are confidently winning 60% or more over the 500-1000 tournament range.If you decide that you need 30 buy-in, then with a balance of 29, immediately go to a lower level, otherwise you will not be successful enough in HU SNGs, or in poker in general. It is better to move to a lower level and play calmly with 40-50 buy-in than to stay at a level that cannot be “beat” with confidence with 20 buy-in.

I would recommend reading Dara O'Kearney's book on satellites or reading the related thread on here. Essentially, a double or nothing is the same as a satellite since all prizes are equal.
In terms of whether it's worth your time, then it really depends on your proficiency at other forms of poker. Double or nothing SNGs can be a slow grind and you need to win just over 50% to be profitable (after rake). I've played the micro stakes on Party Poker and found that I can cash fairly often, but it's not easy even at $1/$2 buyin. The player pool is quite savvy and most people are generally folding and being patient. Games usually take 30 minutes to reach a conclusion so it's worth considering whether you can multi-table.

As others have mentioned, a downswing is difficult to recover from in double or nothing formats.