If I have a comfortable stack, then I try to play AA KK slowly. I try to see the flop, and I feel pretty good. This is the usual slow draw. I myself sometimes play like you. But when I play like this I usually hope that someone does not play a monster against me. You see. I hope. I am not sure about the strength of my hand. Therefore, it is worth playing then when you have a large enough stack. And fold to reraise. If I have a small stack, then I go all-in and I hope that no more than two opponents call me. At the beginning of the tournament, I would not push my entire stack on the top pair. But KK made a 1bet raise. Which is pretty pointless with such a flop. After all, it gives a chance to see the turn, and allow others to collect a hand stronger than KK KK played wrong, but he was lucky. With such a game, he is unlikely to win a buy-in tournament, or even a freeroll, but in this hand he won.
The best advice I can give on this subject is when you raise and someone calls, dont take AA and KK out of their range just because they didnt 3 bet.
When someone limps in early position raise a little to see what they do. If they limped strong they are often looking for a rereaise to capitalize on and this will often trigger an overbet when they have a monster but will simply generate a call when they dont.
When someone limps in early position raise a little to see what they do. If they limped strong they are often looking for a rereaise to capitalize on and this will often trigger an overbet when they have a monster but will simply generate a call when they dont.
kelvin22 said:Not been around here long, and today was the first shot i got in the daily freeroll with a little over 200 players. Got busted out by KK nonetheless, but it was kinda' weird (for me at least), and i can't say it was one of may best plays. Can't seem to upload the hand on boom, so i'll post a few photos. BB calls a mid-pos 2bet raise... so... keep that in mind.
Was i wrong to go allin?... maybe. Still... who plays KK like that? I'd like to understand the reasoning behind the play and pick your brain for different opinions. Eva... your welcome to join. I've stalked many times as well, but never pre-flop.
So... is the hero to be considered a stalker? If yes... how would you protect yourself in this case? (except the obvious answer "don't go allin moron!")
I'm sorry but I don't know the term stalker? I play a lot of live poker and am somewhat new to online poker. This must be an online term cause I've never heard it. I've heard slowplaying or trapping which is what I'd call Eva's play here. And I guess as long as your prepared to get coolered with your kings or aces it's fine to put some flats with those holdings in your range as long as it's balanced. As far as your play with the K9 diamonds it can go either way I mean I guess you were playing with position and had already put 100 in so a call is fine. I think post flop call is your optimal option as far as I'm concerned. You were calling a raise so I think standard is to let the pre flop aggressor C- bet call and see how the action goes. I mean if you just call the 50 and then the turn gets crazy action you can reasonably let it go. I know you wanted to make any draws pay but sometimes you gotta take the less variance route to stay alive in tourneys.
Don't know if it's actually a "poker" term, but a stalker is a stalker... no matter the situation. At least in poker, it's one who thinks he has the upper hand no matter the risk, and chooses to play it slow waiting for raises.fishfood80 said:
You could call it "entrapment" however it's far from being a trap, at least in this case. BB holds kings, and chooses to let the flop unfold, in a hand played 4way with nothing but a call of a very small bet. You can't call that a trap, but rather an unnecessary risk. And i don't know, maybe i'm a little paranoid as well, due to all the suckouts i've been suffering lately, but i swear to god, if i were holding the kings, if not the turn, the river for sure would have revealed another 9.
All i'm trying to understand... was it a strategy?... or just, go with the flow kinda' thinking.
Are you trying to justify a terrible play on your part because someone played KK differently than you would have?
Yes, lets blame your busting out on KK for not 3betting pre and only min betting on the flop. These actions really forced you to over jam 22 BBs into a 12 BB pot with just TP. Its their fault, right?
What stopped you from folding pre? From 3betting pre?
LoL at calling not being an option. Its a much better option than over jamming with just TP and no redraw.
Yes, lets blame your busting out on KK for not 3betting pre and only min betting on the flop. These actions really forced you to over jam 22 BBs into a 12 BB pot with just TP. Its their fault, right?
What stopped you from folding pre? From 3betting pre?
LoL at calling not being an option. Its a much better option than over jamming with just TP and no redraw.
krezip said:
Ding Ding!!!! And we have a winner folks!!!
by ripping it in you a minimizing your wins & maximizing your losses. Typically worse hands will not call.. & only getting called by better hands.
I find it amusing that you quoted one member's comment that is actually 100% incorrect (when they suggested it was good play K9 there & good to get it in).
You will learn more & improve faster if you try to be humble & realize that you know very little. (who knows... I might even take you on as a project if you seem keen enough).
How to protect yourself against stalkers? LOL
Easy!!! Stop Bathing/Showering, Don't brush your teeth in well over a week, Start Living in a box in a subway some where...
It Normally Stops Stalkers Dead in their tracks (From 3ft) lol if not You're gonna need to get hard core and start smoking Crack, Crank and Heroin its the best way I've found to get rid of unwanted stalkers...
ahhh If you're talking Poker....
Just Sit Out until you have the Nuts... come back at him/her with a massive push... twice will do it!!
I feel stupid now I told you my real world application of nastiness to get rid of nastiness.... hmmm😀😀
Stop when the fun stops or when no one can face your breath...😱😱😱
Easy!!! Stop Bathing/Showering, Don't brush your teeth in well over a week, Start Living in a box in a subway some where...
It Normally Stops Stalkers Dead in their tracks (From 3ft) lol if not You're gonna need to get hard core and start smoking Crack, Crank and Heroin its the best way I've found to get rid of unwanted stalkers...
ahhh If you're talking Poker....
Just Sit Out until you have the Nuts... come back at him/her with a massive push... twice will do it!!
I feel stupid now I told you my real world application of nastiness to get rid of nastiness.... hmmm😀😀
Stop when the fun stops or when no one can face your breath...😱😱😱
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