Can ICM make you fold AAs?

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Of course, AA doesn't guarantee that you will win. It all depends on the situation at the table.
 
The right answer is yes but I’m not good enough to fold aa no matter what
 
Maybe AA is a fold in some ICM situations. If the pot goes multiway, chances of Aces getting cracked increases.

Against one opponent, I am not folding Aces even on bubble.
 
Never!! In satellites, it is ok to fold AA sometimes, but in a regular tournament, never folding aces preflop!
That's why we need to have a solid bankroll management: to not be afraid of bubbling the tournament, specially with the best hand preflop!
The goal is win chips, so that we increase the chance of winning the tournament. The goal should be to win the tournament, not just min-cash.
 
Poker_Mike said:
Sometimes in live play you can get an idea of your opponent's financial situation. The way they dress.....rolex on the wrist...and even reputation in the live room.

But how do you get this financial assessment in online play? Look at their sharkscope history and see their winrate? If this is the biggest win for them then maybe the player is more risk averse?

Although I suspect that in the OP's situation the 100BB bigstack was going to continue to shove and put his opponents to the test. i.e. is the hand you're holding the one you want to go all in with?

Thank you for pointing this out.

I had to re-read the OP more carefully to see that 3 of the 4 players left at the final table were all in and the OP wakes up with AA with a shortstack and will be all in the next hand involuntarily.

Technically the big stack's opening shove is much much looser than everybody else. I mean it happens that the short stacks double up off the big stack. And then there you are with less than one BB remaining.

With $2k pay jumps each level!

I'm in agony all over again thinking about this hand..ARGGHHHH!! lol

I wonder what actually happened in the real hand.
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what if in live play guy on purpose buying fake luxury clothes haha. Fake rolex, fake prada sunglasses just imagine, this can be a bit tricky too there are some cases when intuition can trick you
P.S this is not just from my head, i know some people who are trying to look richly when playing live poker..
 
Parsorandini said:
Sorry but this is just not true, that's the whole point of ICM. Sometimes even if you know you're more than likely ahead, ICM makes it an easy fold. No idea about the AA question by the way, just needed to make this clear for anyone reading this.
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I agree and disagree. ICM is only high enough to make an aces fold in satellites or other hypothetical tournaments with a completely flat payout structure, any other format you just never fold aces preflop, no matter the ICM levels. Aces are just that good.
 
Easy fold for me, will happily take the one or maybe 2 pay jumps Vs a stack that's hardly going to trouble the big stack. And we all know how AA does 4 ways.

Maybe if I covered the second stack I might call. For them to call you kinda think qq+
 
I will share with you a different type of "folding aces". Was in a spot with AA to get a 250 main event ticket folded against two aggressive but good players was upper-middle stack so thought why not fold to make sure ppl would sometime go out. After 30 minutes only few players busted and wasn't getting any good hands at all. Then busted last to the ticket. It was a very awkward experience as I thought 3-way pot with AA would be a bad idea. Anyways, now I dont fold aces unless its your position, which may require unconventional folding to be itm.
 
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