JJ dilemma at final table

How u play JJ in online game ,one guy raise to 5 bet another allin ,will u call or cold vip -60???

It depends on what stage of the tournament you're at and how many chips you have. But generally speaking, JJ is already a medium-strength hand, just like TT.

wushibala said:

Yes stage always how to play TT,JJ and below TT

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How to play JJ in ft

We need lots more info to give an answer (position , stack sizes , past history , ring game tourney or cash , etc etc )

Yeah, hard to decide if we should call all in or not, not knowing the stack sizes Since you have VPIP stat of the opponent, perhaps you also have 3bet stat? Any other info from previous hands? Positions? What about stats of the oppening guy (I suppose he is still making decission after you)?

It probably depends on your opponent. If he's active, then raise; if he's nitty, then most likely call and take the flop.

winner3699 said:

How u play JJ in online game ,one guy raise to 5 bet another allin ,will u call or cold vip -60???

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When making FT decisions we decide based on # of players left-Stack sizes of players left and ladder $ increases If this is 9 handed and no significant $ until 5th place we would often want to play JJ based on player dynamics. Nit 5bb open Nit jam behind just fold. Never AA KK QQ 5 bb open seldom AA KK jam behind then re jam.

FT requires us to consider winning more by folding than calling so we consider all the factors at this table to decide our action not just the data you posted.

JJ in that spot is one of those nightmare hands that looks strong but plays terribly against the ranges involved. If someone has already 5-bet and another guy jams all-in, you’ve got to think about what hands they’re realistically doing that with. At lower stakes online, a 5-bet is almost always AA, KK, maybe QQ, and occasionally AK suited. Once the shove comes in, you’re basically crushed — JJ is flipping at best against AK, but way behind against the rest. Cold-calling there is just torching chips, and unless you’ve got some insane read that both players are maniacs, folding is the disciplined move.

winner3699 said:

How to play JJ in ft

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It all depends on how many chips you have and what stage of the tournament you're at. The final table is no exception. For example, if I'm the shortest stack at the final table, I will always shove with a hand like JJ. But if I'm around 4th in chips, I'll play hands like JJ or TT more carefully.

He says 5bet but mentions no action before that bet. I think he means an open for 5bb, then a jam over that. I'm inclined to fold JJ here since the two of them have a TON of overcards between them and we could easily be praying with a 2 outer after the flop or turn.

But of course we can't give any definitive answer unless we know the stacks, positions and Villain tendencies.

Semprini said:

He says 5bet but mentions no action before that bet. I think he means an open for 5bb, then a jam over that. I'm inclined to fold JJ here since the two of them have a TON of overcards between them and we could easily be praying with a 2 outer after the flop or turn. But of course we can't give any definitive answer unless we know the stacks, positions and Villain tendencies.

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A 5BB open raise is often a strong but capped range, since AA or KK would want more action. Its essentially Villain saying "I have JJ, and I hate them, so please fold and let me win a small pot". Maybe something like 88-JJ, AQ+. Or the Villain is a maniac doing this with whatever nonsense, but typically you would see that early in an MTT and not on the final table. So usually I would be fine getting it in with JJ against such action

But now someone else have done that already, and then I definitely need to know, how many chips that guy has compared to my own stack. Especially since it was a final table, where we dont want to bust with a 25BB stack, if 3 other players have 5BB, 7BB and 9BB respectively. In that case we might need AA or KK to justify playing a massive 3-way all-in assuming, that the guy opening to 5BB is most likely going to overcall.

I agree 100% that if we have isolation with a 5bb open at the final table while holding JJ we get it in unless there something specific in Villain's tendencies that says otherwise. I also agree 100% that it's the jam between that complicates this.

Also, we MUST know the stacks around us to make the right decision here. For instance, had the jammer instead folded, would we have to raise/jam to fold out the stacks behind or not? All kinds of loose ends to consider here.

Bottom line tho, I just don't think that we're winning at showdown more than 40-50% of the time in 3-way given the action so far. Actually 50% seems very generous. Maybe 30-40%. Against the jammer alone we may be 50/50 at best, he either crushes us with better pocket pair or has a 6 put coin flip. Then throw in the 3rd wheel the odds just go down from there. Call me nitty but I'd prefer a spot with better odds.

At the final table, play it like it all premium hands (QQ,KK,AA) + have in mind that you can lose with any hand, no matter what cards you get...

How many times your AA been cracked by 333 or some hands like that - now, everyone up there said that JJ is a weak card or tricky; they don't know shit about poker.

JJ is a great hand, like any other premium hand, but you never know what cards are going to come on the table!

You have to play it with the hand that you got - sometimes it doesn't matter what it is...

winner3699 said:

¿Cómo juegas JJ en un juego online? Un tipo sube a 5, otro hace all-in, ¿igualarás o harás cold vip -60???

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If I have JJ and one player goes up to 5 and another player answers with all-in , I don't like to make a cold call that's too big without information. It would depend a lot on the stacks and how the opponents play, but against a strong all-in it would probably be quite careful; JJ is a very good hand, but it can also be dominated by QQ, KK or AA.

Dejana said:

At the final table, play it like it all premium hands (QQ,KK,AA) + have in mind that you can lose with any hand, no matter what cards you get...

How many times your AA been cracked by 333 or some hands like that - now, everyone up there said that JJ is a weak card or tricky; they don't know shit about poker.

JJ is a great hand, like any other premium hand, but you never know what cards are going to come on the table!

You have to play it with the hand that you got - sometimes it doesn't matter what it is...

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Mentioned vip -60
Then wt u will call or fold???