Just learned this bubble rule, chip count is the decider for bubble ties

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I ran into something today in an MTT that honestly caught me off guard, and I’m curious how many people actually know this rule.

On the bubble, two players busted in the same hand. I assumed the player with the better hand between the two would finish higher. That is not what happened.

Instead, the tournament ranked them based on chip count at the start of the hand. The player who started with fewer chips was eliminated first and got nothing. The player with more chips technically finished higher and got the min cash, even though both lost the hand.

So to be clear, if two players bust on the same hand:
It does not matter whose hand is stronger
It does not matter who was ahead at showdown
It only matters who had more chips before the cards were dealt

This feels counterintuitive at first, especially if one player clearly had the better hand and still bubbles.

From a strategy perspective, this actually seems huge. It makes covering opponents near the bubble even more valuable, and being the shortest stack carries an extra layer of risk beyond just survival.

Curious what you guys think:
Did you already know this rule
Have you ever benefited or been burned by it
Do you adjust your bubble strategy because of this

Feels like one of those small details that can have a real impact over time.
 
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Yes, I knew the rule of stack size on the bubble. That's exactly why it's hand for hand.

Some people definitely don't know this and I heard other interpretation as bust time or else but this is not the case.
 
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Yup, that decides who gets eliminated in the bubble. Been there lots of time. Glad you learned about it to comprehend in your bubble strategy. Good luck.
 
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I didn't know the rule but it sounds logical.
 
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s0ftdumps said:
Curious what you guys think:
Did you already know this rule
Have you ever benefited or been burned by it
Do you adjust your bubble strategy because of this
I did know the rule and, though I don't know for sure, considering the number of bubbles I've been on I've probably been on both ends of it. I really wouldn't know what the other stacks sizes are, so depending upon the size of my hand and stack I might decide to just sit there and let someone else bust out.

PS - Where I usually play in Connecticut and New Hampshire when we're down to the bubble there is usually a collection from the players, or the payouts are reorganized, so that the person knocked out on the bubble will at minimum get their entry fee back. Online of course it will be handled as I mentioned above.
 
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i think we must play icm poker go all in if we have inafe good hand and fold if have bad hand. Good luck
 
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s0ftdumps said:
I ran into something today in an MTT that honestly caught me off guard, and I’m curious how many people actually know this rule.

On the bubble, two players busted in the same hand. I assumed the player with the better hand between the two would finish higher. That is not what happened.

Instead, the tournament ranked them based on chip count at the start of the hand. The player who started with fewer chips was eliminated first and got nothing. The player with more chips technically finished higher and got the min cash, even though both lost the hand.

So to be clear, if two players bust on the same hand:
It does not matter whose hand is stronger
It does not matter who was ahead at showdown
It only matters who had more chips before the cards were dealt

This feels counterintuitive at first, especially if one player clearly had the better hand and still bubbles.

From a strategy perspective, this actually seems huge. It makes covering opponents near the bubble even more valuable, and being the shortest stack carries an extra layer of risk beyond just survival.

Curious what you guys think:
Did you already know this rule
Have you ever benefited or been burned by it
Do you adjust your bubble strategy because of this

Feels like one of those small details that can have a real impact over time.
Yes I have known this rule for years.
I have both benefited and been burned by it and split the prize when we both had the same amount of chips.
My bubble strategy depends on the stack sizes of me and the other players at my table as well as the cards I get.

Question is do you think it is right for a player with only 100 chips to be placed higher than someone with 2000 chips because they both busted on the same hand to a flush but he had a pair of 8's compared to a pair of 6's ?
 
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... always has been the rule, seems only fair the player with less chips goes out first...
 
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